Saturday, December 31, 2011

A Dialogue on King James & The Bible

On the ceiling of the Banqueting House, Rubens depicted James being carried to heaven by angels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I

RE: EXCELLENT SHORT VIDEO EXPOSING KING JAMES VI/I'S SELF-DECLARED CATHOLIC BELIEF THAT MARY (HIS MOTHER'S NAME) IS "THE MOTHER OF GOD" - SURPRISE, SURPRISE … 1

FROM:
TO:
Saturday, December 3, 2011 10:51 PM
Do you mean: the manuscripts? Well, if God can fulfill and preserve his word while the man can't... then NOT ALL manuscripts (i say "manuscripts" not "versions") are "manipulated" (altered or modified). Also, the alterations can be discovered, and actually are and was discovered. By example the Comma Johanneum in 1 John 5:7, etc, etc. Re-member folks, the work based in faith made by Tyndale, Wycliffe, Westcott & Hort, and others... is not finished, and as for almost 1500 years the Bible was not able to all, today the full and progresive truth of the Bible is not able for all. That's why we must finish the job to have a well translated Bible. But as some of you said: the tradition controls the flesh.


Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:50:13 -0500
Subject: Re: EXCELLENT SHORT VIDEO EXPOSING KING JAMES VI/I'S SELF-DECLARED CATHOLIC BELIEF THAT MARY (HIS MOTHER'S NAME) IS "THE MOTHER OF GOD" - SURPRISE, SURPRISE …
From: avenueoflight@gmail.com
To: dmaxi_gsl@hotmail.com

RIGHT... ALL HAVE BEEN MANIPULATED...

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 9:28 PM, maxi aguaisol <dmaxi_gsl@hotmail.com> wrote:
And now that we have even more better manuscripts that those in the past, the King James Bible is still used to destroy the new Bible Versions. And this is also truth.


Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:23:07 -0500
Subject: Fwd: EXCELLENT SHORT VIDEO EXPOSING KING JAMES VI/I'S SELF-DECLARED CATHOLIC BELIEF THAT MARY (HIS MOTHER'S NAME) IS "THE MOTHER OF GOD" - SURPRISE, SURPRISE …
From: avenueoflight@gmail.com
To: Avenueoflight@gmail.com

AT LEAST THERE IS ENOUGH FOR SALVATION IN IT'S PAGES.... IT WAS ONLY CREATED BECAUSE IT'S HIDDEN PURPOSE WAS TO DESTROY THE GENEVA BIBLE... THAT IS THE TRUTH!

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From: TS <troy_space@me.com>
Date: Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: EXCELLENT SHORT VIDEO EXPOSING KING JAMES VI/I'S SELF-DECLARED CATHOLIC BELIEF THAT MARY (HIS MOTHER'S NAME) IS "THE MOTHER OF GOD" - SURPRISE, SURPRISE …
To: Maxi Aguaisol <dmaxi_gsl@hotmail.com>
Cc: Avenue of Light <avenueoflight@gmail.com>, Douglas Willinger <dougwill2001@yahoo.com>


I actually wonder if he (James VI/I) may have secretly harboured an even more serious "God-complex" than even his "divine right of kings" doctrine suggests (worth reading through the first few paragraphs at least of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_right_of_kings), with his Roman Catholic mother being called Mary & James declaring his Romish belief that the Virgin Mary was "the Mother of God"?



On 4 Dec 2011, at 01:08, maxi aguaisol wrote:


Hahaha, there you go. And knowing that the fanatics KJV-O's hates so much the "apologetics" they can not even try to refute this, although irrefutable as it seems. Never the less, even if this is true, which i believe it is (namely, that King James VI/V was pro-jesuitical and pro-romanist), it's no proper manner to refute the King James Onlyism. The only way to do it is by using the manuscripts in greek and other ancient lenguages preserved by God. A smile is in my face for this video, but i see it just like a colateral or a indirect attack. But if we are going to use indirect attacks, then let's gonna use all the ammo, remembering a thing that i asked several times to Phelps and he never aswer to me, that: THE VIRGINIA COMPANY WAS CREATED BY ING JAMES I.

http://www.preservationvirginia.org/rediscovery/page.php?page_id=22


Virginia Company

Virginia Company SealThe Virginia Company was formed with a charter from King James I in 1606. The Company was a joint stock corporation charged with the settlement of Virginia. It had the power to appoint the Council of Virginia, the Governor and other officials, and the responsibility to provide settlers, supplies, and ships for the venture. The initial reaction to the Company was favorable, but as the mortality rate rose and the prospect for profit grew dim, the support for it waned. The leadership resorted to lotteries, searching for gold, and silkworm production to increase profits. The charter was finally revoked in 1624 and Virginia became a Crown colony [Maxi's note: KJ died in 1625], largely as a result of the Indian Massacre of 1622.

The seal of the Virginia Company is on the right.





In Yahweh, through Christ.
Brother Maxi.


Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 17:53:07 -0500
Subject: Re: EXCELLENT SHORT VIDEO EXPOSING KING JAMES VI/I'S SELF-DECLARED CATHOLIC BELIEF THAT MARY (HIS MOTHER'S NAME) IS "THE MOTHER OF GOD" - SURPRISE, SURPRISE …
From: avenueoflight@gmail.com
To: troy_space@me.com

Correct Troy, as I know well, James was a Roman Sympathizer without question; but MOST cannot accept this;(it is the bible I use)!!!!!!!! same as the Babylonian trinity, Amen, christ-MASS, Jesuit created rapture doctrine hoax, UNfilfilled 70th week (rapture-hoax) on and on... All one can do is put the truth out there... just as the founding of this nation and the internal dissention as viewed by most as being from the outside; but in reality, it is from it's founders from within. MOST will NEVER accept this FACTUAL, DOCUMENMTED, HISTORICALLY PROVEN, WRITTEN UNDISPUTED EVIDENCE I have continually submitted.... All hold to the traditiions and customs of men, their fathers, pastors, family, friends, relatives,,,etc

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 4:18 PM, TS <troy_space@me.com> wrote:
EXCELLENT SHORT VIDEO EXPOSING KING JAMES VI/I'S SELF-DECLARED CATHOLIC BELIEF THAT MARY (HIS MOTHER'S NAME) IS "THE MOTHER OF GOD" - SURPRISE, SURPRISE …

VIDEO LINK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MfJ1EkD7Eg

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SOURCES:

David Matthew, James I, (University of Alabama Press, 1968), pp. 186-187

Online Version of King James' "Premonition":
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=6&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1…


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For further information on James' links to the Jesuit/Roman nexus see the archive of otherwise unavailable forum posted research of mine:



- TS

Saturday, December 24, 2011

A Dialogue on Biblical Text Sources



Dear friends & brothers in the Spirit

All of the energy expended in debating whether or not these versions are acceptable or not would probably be better turned to learning more about the earliest manuscripts still extant. Such as:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Testament_uncials

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Testament_papyri

Where we learn that scripture written on papyri are generally the oldest of all such remnants of scripture, often no more than a few verses, often fragmentary (only one exists from the 2nd - or possibly 3rd - century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncial_0189 - which is the oldest parchment manuscript of any New Testament text, a portion of the Acts of the Apostles), the other types being miniscules which were mostly written on parchment (& mostly slightly more recent from the 9th century with the newest being much less ancient) & lectionaries which were written a variety of materials such as parchment, papyrus, vellum & paper (the oldest of these is from the 7th century & the newest are also much less ancient).

Also: Devoting some time to being acquainted with some of the history & comparative merits of the codices (codexes) should be a focus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex), these are also "uncials". For example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Bezae

Some study on the matters pertaining to the Byzantine & Alexandrian text types should also be given importance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_text-type

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandrian_text-type

Please also study my posting from last night (which is a copy of an email that I sent to a former correspondent around one year ago), as the relatively new E.O.B. New Testament is in my opinion the most accurate New Testament translation to date, being derived from the earliest of Byzantine texts (the basis of the Geneva, the KJV by contrast being a thoroughly mixed combination of Byzantine & corrupted Alexandrian (via the undeniable & significant Douay-Rheims influence).

Especially worth reading is the piece at the bottom of my post, an article headed "Byzantine Text History".

Let's deal in scholarly discussion & go to the source(s), or at least the earliest materials of the text-types & consider the evidence as it presents itself in the light of critical thinking & honest analysis.

Peace be with you -

Troy

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PLEASE FIND BELOW SOME CORRESPONDENCE EXCERPTS OF MINE REGARDING MY RESEARCHES INTO BIBLE/N.T. TRANSLATIONS:

The EOB link is to a PDF text-based book, not an audio-book:

> http://www.orthodoxanswers.org/eob/download/eobntpublic.pdf

Note that I am not advocating the Eastern/Greek Orthodox church rituals & hierarchy as such, but giving this translation of the Byzantine text serious consideration, seeing as the Geneva (& thus the majority of the KJV - not including its Alexandrian-based Vulgate/Douay-Rheimsisms) is also Byzantine-based.
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The links that I just sent you (to the EOB NT, the Magiera Peshitta NT& the Tolle Lege Geneva 4th edition) are the fruits of much research. If I posted all the whys & wherefores of how I eliminated the other English translations of the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine Koine Greek NT texts or the Peshitta Aramaic NT then I wouldn't have time to study them. Not having a go, just explaining that it is tough to cover all the bases that I wish to even for personal research.
...

I have also just received delivery of the following very new Eastern/Greek Orthodox Church English translation of the New Testament, the first decent translation into English (there are at least three other English translations that I know of, none of which I was particularly enthused to get) taken from the Byzantine-type "Patriarchal Text".

The Textus Receptus was also derived from the Byzantine texts & is the basis of the Geneva Bible; the KJV being largely derived from both the Geneva & the Latin Vulgate-derived Douay Rheims Roman Catholic translations. The Patriarchal text & Textus Receptus (both being Byzantine-type texts) are both different to the Alexandrian-type texts [as used in the numerous & varied translations derived from the Nestle-Aland-UBS "Critical Text"].

Have not had time to study/read the paper hard copy EOB, but did a fair bit of research before purchasing it.

Here's a PDF copy for you to download & peruse:

http://www.orthodoxanswers.org/eob/download/eobntpublic.pdf

The hardcopy is only available via the print-to-order outlet Lulu.com ( http://www.lulu.com/product/hardcover/eob-new-testament-6x9-hardcover/5004567 ).

Note that the colour artwork in the PDF version is printed as black & white in the hardcopy. Which for the price is surprising, but is probably explained by the fact that it is print-to-order from Lulu.com, who have a low overheads type operation.

My copy has a small "ding" in the back cover's edge, presumably from where postman tried to shove it through our front door mailbox (the shipping box had a big ding in it). I considered sending it back as it wasn't cheap (£25 plus shipping), but it is a hassle & as it is neither clothbound nor leather bound I am thinking that it is not worth being fussed about it. After all my Hendrickson 1560 Geneva Bible has got some coffee stains on the edge of the pages at the bottom of the book that I don't recall that happening, so things happen even on one's own watch! I prefer reading scripture from hard copy paper books than PDF's.

I also wish to get the Janet Magiera translation of the Aramaic Peshitta New Testament ( http://www.amazon.com/Aramaic-Peshitta-New-Testament-Translation/dp/096796136X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1297358079&sr=8-1 ). This appears to be the most scholarly translation of the Aramiac Peshitta NT, although I would suggest that it is also worth having a copy of George Lamsa's classic English translation of the Peshitta.
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I hope to find some time this year to compare the EOB NT, Magiera's Peshitta NT with the Tolle Lege Geneva Bible. I still have to purchase the Tolle Lege edition of the Geneva. My Geneva hard copy is the Hendrickson hardback, which due to its weight & original 1560 spelling & layout gets used less than my computer PDF's of the Geneva! So I would recommend the 4th (& latest) Tolle Lege edition of the Geneva:

http://www.reformationbookstore.com/1599genevabiblehardback.aspx

& perhaps also the audio versions:

http://www.reformationbookstore.com/1599genevaaudiobible.aspx

Anyway, here's the EOB NT:

E.O.B. NEW TESTAMENT (THE EASTERN/GREEK ORTHODOX BIBLE, VOLUME III)

http://www.lulu.com/product/hardcover/eob-new-testament-6x9-hardcover/5004567

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God bless -

Troy

P.S.: Some info on the text that the EOB is based on is below:

http://www.orthodoxanswers.org/eob/about.asp

The New Testament (completed and available) is based on the official ecclesiastical text published in 1904 by the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople (again documenting all significant variants to the Critical Text, Majority Text and Textus Receptus). It also provides extensive footnotes and Appendices dealing with significant verses such as Matthew 16:18; John 1:1,18; John 15:26. The Patriarchal text was selected on Mount Athos from among a large number of reliable ecclesiastical manuscripts and appears to be identical or similar to Minuscule 1495 (KR subgroup).

http://www.standardbearers.net/R.D.html

Byzantine Text History
Why The ‘Patriarchal’ Text of Greek New Testament ?
By R.D. Dedman (April 2005) v1.1


What is the ‘Patriarchal’ Text of the New Testament?

It is the official text of the Greek speaking churches. This Greek New Testament, obtainable from http://kainh.homestead.com/English.html is the 1904 ‘Patriarchal’ edition of the Greek Orthodox Church.

“The Patriarchal text arose from the need for a uniform text throughout the Greek Orthodox Churches. During the Turkish occupation there were various editions of the NT with the result that in different places a different NT was read. To avoid this the Ecumenical Patriarchate appointed a committee in 1902 to decide on a text that would be adopted as the official text. The committee retired in Mount Athos and studied about 20 Byzantine manuscripts from which they decided on one taking into consideration some parts of the other manuscripts. This text was published in 1904 and it has been since then adopted by all Greek Orthodox Churches.” by Petros Petallides (kainh.homestead.com)


How was the New Testament Text Transmitted?

The Hebrew scriptures (“Old Testament”), were written and compiled over a long period (approx. 1450 – 400 BC). These Scriptures were entrusted for their keeping to the Jews (Romans 3:2). But that part of Scripture called the “New Testament” has been preserved in a different manner. Written in the common Greek (Koine Greek) language of the 1st century AD it was completed in a relatively short period following Jesus’ death and resurrection, probably by 90 AD. It was anapostolic production fulfilling the promise Jesus made to them prior to His death (John 15:27, 17:20). The apostles wrote as well as preached the truth.

Thus the Gospels, Acts, Letters, and later Revelation became copied and distributed, firstly, we may reasonably suppose, among the Christian communities themselves and later more broadly as non-Christians began to take notice. By the late-fourth century, however, knowledge of Greek was in sharp decline in the western half of the empire. A century later and knowledge of Greek had almost entirely vanished in the west. But the knowledge of Greek did not vanish in the eastern half of the empire. And it was within the Byzantine empire that the work of preserving the sacred Greek texts – copying and proof-reading – continued unabated, as we shall now see.


Why is the ‘Patriarchal’ Text Important?

Monks – the scholars of their day – first came to Mount Athos as early as the fifth century, according to the official history of Mount Athos.1 Monastries later became established and the number of manuscripts, including those of the NT, rapidly accumulated. The work of copying and transcribing manuscripts continued unabated at Mount Athos over the centuries. From the midninth century this work included the transcribing of the very oldest manuscripts:

“The Greek manuscripts up to the 9th century and sporadically in the 10th and early 11th centuries were written in majuscule writing, today’s capital letters, Few samples of manuscripts or fragments of manuscripts in majuscule writing are preserved to this day in the libraries of Mount Athos. The reason is that since the mid-9th century miniscule writing became predominant, and all the manuscripts of the previous centuries were transcribed in that writing and therefore became unused and little by little disappeared.” 2


By the time of the fall of Constantinople to the Ottoman Turks, in 1453, the bulk of these same NT manuscripts still existed in the East. As some Greek-speaking scholars fled West they carried with them copies of some of these NT manuscripts.

These few copies formed the basis of Erasmus’ first Greek New Testament.3 Tyndale’s New Testament, which still remains as a model of clarity4 is essentially based on Erasmus’ text. In 1550, an edition by Robert Stephanus was published, the third edition of which became one of the two ‘standard’ texts of the ‘Textus Receptus’ on which the King James Version is essentially based.

However, the majority of the Greek manuscripts of the new Testament remained in Greece at Mount Athos. The Moslem Turks allowed the work of the copyists at Mount Athos to continue during their occupation.


Conclusion

For those who hold to the inerrancy of Scripture, the Byzantine text form has long held an esteemed position over self-contradicting Western text forms such as the Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus: these last two often disagree with one another and so their witness is
unreliable.

By contrast, the Byzantine texts are in substantial agreement. They have a proven lineage. Indeed no other textual history stretching back centuries even exists elsewhere. Unambiguously from the 5th century onwards the focus for copyists and scholars was Mount Athos. And it is from this source that the ‘Patriarchal’ official text was taken.

1 www.inathos.gr/athos/uk/general/top.htm

2 Libraries and manuscripts in Mount Athos: A survey; Efthimios Litsas, Senior Researcher, Patriarchal Institute for Patristic Studies, Associate Professor of Paleography, Ionian Senior Cataloguer, Mount AthosManuscripts Digital Library, December 2001.

3 First edition published in 1516, subsequent revised editions in 1519, 1522, 1527 and 1535.

4 Witness his correct translation of ekklesia to ‘congregation’ rather than ‘church’, a word of very different etymology.

(source: http://kainh.homestead.com/files/noteptxt.pdf )

On 21 Dec 2011, at 21:23, maxi aguaisol wrote:

> Although my mails sent to you are rejected by "Sieve Systems", and some of you added mister Phelps to this conversation and he does not want to talk with me, or even answer my refutation of his anti-biblical racist doctrine, i will reply this mail of you.
>
> You can not prove it, mister Oxley. You can not prove that the Old Versions like the King James Version, are better translations than the New Versions, while i can prove that the opposite. Nevermind the scholars, which you wrongly name as "jesuits", without any proof whatsoever... Just see this partial list of several errors in the KJV http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/what-are-the-errors-in-king-james-version-bible.html
>
> I really do not care about the Copyright of the KJV owned by the British Crown, as i do not care about the Copyright of the NIV or any other version. I am sorry but the NASB and NIV are not false Bibles. I already checked the greek texts in both Alexandrian and Byzantine texts and found that you and the old versions are wrong about this issue. Or Jesus was crucified in a tree, Craig? Becouse that is what the KJV says. Maybe if you make some real investigation you would be not so much amazed.
>
> Of the Geneva i can promote the great marginal notes that the KJV taked away, yes. But there is still many errors of translation in that version. I am also amazed that an inteligent person like you can fall in this mis-translations like the KJV. NIV sect? By the way, i believe the NASB is a better version than the NIV. And now the christians that accept the new versions are heretics?
>
> Later you say that you "are from the lands were the Reformation originatred", well, let's see what Tyndale thinks about it. William Tyndale said in the preface of his first English New Testament that if anyone could find an inaccuracy that did not give the exact sense of the original language, he should correct it. Tyndale said, "remembering that so is their duty to do so." So even the same Tyndale disagree with you, mister Oxley.
>
> You can wonder if i am a Jesuit all the time that you want, but, please, we are not your slaves, presents some proof for your afirmations, becouse if not then we all will end calling us "jesuit" one to another. Remember GOD HATES the FALSE TESTIMONY. If a were a Jesuit i will not waste my time talking to nobody, but acting in the shadows like they do, not answering nothing. Again, you can doubt all you want, i also doubt, but i do not call every one that disagree with me a "jesuit".
>
> Maybe i must remind you what Matthew 12:36 says: "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."
>
> It seems that you forget that i was one of the first to attack and denounce the KJV-Onlytes/Richlings doctrines of Marco Ponce not so much different that the KJV-Onlysm of which i attack in this conversation. But i do not hate Marco, nor i hate you, nor i hate Eric, etc. I only believe you have some errors, that's all. I belive is an insult to all when you use the "Ad Hominem" logical falacy.
>
> If this would be a trial, and i a lawyer and you a prosecutor, i would be declared innocent. Never the less, i really do not care how you call me, the truth is that i respect you so much as i respect all the members of the "Anti-Jesuit Movement". Remember this is not an attack against you Craig. Is just i do not believe the arcaic translations are better than the new ones. I already saw the greek texts and i know what i saw.
>
> Yes, i come from South America. That's all you got? Come on, mister Oxley. Let's use documentation to back our statements.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brother Maxi from South America.

From: annunaki@fastmail.fm
To: dmaxi_gsl@hotmail.com; troy_space@me.com; avenueoflight@gmail.com; dougwill2001@yahoo.com; vsamuelbenitez@hotmail.com; eric@vaticanassassins.org
Subject: RE: All-Seeing Eye of Satan at oil painting of Francisco de Borgia made by Alonso Cano.
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:45:27 +0000

Claptrap Maxi, the only Bibles are the Lutheran, Geneva and King James Authorized. I do not care for so-called high Christian scholars who're up the arse of the Jesuits and their deceptions. Next you'll be saying that Charles Windsor's Green Bible is better than the KJV. Whether you like the fact of the Crown copyright or not doesn't mean you have to knock this Bible at all costs and bloody promote false Bibles. I wouldn't mind if you did what Troy has done and knock the KJV for the Geneva, thats acceptable even to a strong KJV follower somewhat, but to push those claptraps you're doing amazes me. I wonder just why you do not promote the Geneva bible and continue with his NIV heresy etc? Very strange indeed. At the end of the day I'm from the lands where the Reformation originated and it came from the Bibles mentioned not the NIV and therefore I wouldn't entertain one in the slightest and even if they were legit I'd rather a real Bible. I wonder if you're a Jesuit because you do not make any sense unless you were a Jesuit then it would make sense. Things you've done in the past have been topsy turvy also and thus I have doubts on you. Also you're from South America which is an arse wipe for the Emperor and I do not trust that land. You also came along with Marco Ponce who's turned out to be a right deviant and using swine.


On Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 03:25 PM, maxi aguaisol wrote:

Have peace, mister Oxley.

Please, do not start calling me a "jesuit", because is False Testimony, and God hates it (Exodus 20:16). Remember what Proverbs 6:16-19 says: "These six things doth the LORD (Yahweh) hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."

I have only 24 years of age, i always lived here in the south of Argentina, where is no jesuit intitutions... I have pictures, documentations, and all this city as my witness that i was raised here, that i went to a public school, and in Buenos Aires to a public University. So, you do not have any proof that connects me with the Jesuit Order, so please, do not use the "you-are-a-jesuit" card with me. Of course, you can and will do whatever you want... is just a recommendation. Notice that this is exactly what i am talking about... is exactly this kind of behaviour, namely: to make afirmations without proofs, that we are called "Conspiracy THEORISTS" and not "Conspiracy Theoremists" or better yet, "Conspiracy Scientists".

In the same way like you i also believed, or was forced to believe, that doctrine that tells that "the new versions are satanical and jesuitical versions" (boooo). Later, i made my own homework and investigated this issue and saw that: Westcott & Hort weren't satanists, nor theosophists, nor spiritualists, nor homosexuals, that the Ghostly Guild was not different that the CE4 Research Group of Joseph Jordan, that the name Philological Society was named "Hermes" not for Westcott but by others much more later. If you learn some greek you will find that the King James Version wrongly translates many many versicles, while the New Versions like the NASB and NIV do not commit so much errors like those, and again, is not Maxi who is saying it but the majority of the more respectable christian scholars. If you stop to just accepting what the fanatics Riplingerists, Ruckmanists, and many others in the sect of the KJV-Onlyism say, you will find that this is true. I and many, many others had refuted that the New Versions of the Bible based in better manuscripts texts are "satanical" or even "jesuitical".

By example, mister Phelps say that becouse the Jesuit scholar José Maria Montini was part of a revision of the NIV therefore that means that that version is "jesuitical", but Phelps do not say (i do not if he knows it or not) that the New International Version as we know it today was finished in 1978, and a revision made by a group wich was conformed with at least one member of every mayor "christians" denominations, in which Montini was just one of them, was made in 1993! and nothing was changed! so Montini S.J. does not changed NOTHING of the NIV! , Please, documentate yourself about this, Craig.

I do not understand what you mean when you say "the sun does not shine" on the New Version of the Bible. ¿Do not have known Christ and was saved many thanks to these versions? Please, mister Craig, notice what this following article of Apologetics Index rightly says:

"Some KJV-onlyists go so far as to insist that people who do not use the King James Version (or even a specific edition of the King James Version) are not saved. In doing so they believe and teach a heresy -- one that violates the Biblical doctrine of salvation by adding conditions not taught in Scripture. [See: Essential doctrines of the Christian faith] Those KJV-Onlyists who teach this in so doing place themselves outside the boundaries of the Christian faith, and should be considered heretics.Many in the King James Only movement insist that there are conspiracies behind new Bible translations, meant to take away, diminish or introduce various doctrines.

Daniel B. Wallace, Executive Director for the Center for the Study of New Testament Manuscripts, responds:

"So, is there a conspiracy today? My answer may surprise the reader: yes, I believe there is. But the conspiracy has not produced these modern translations. Rather, I believe that there is a conspiracy to cause division among believers, to deflect our focus from the gospel to petty issues, to elevate an anti-intellectual spirit that does not honor the mind which God has created, and to uphold as the only Holy Bible a translation that, as lucid as it was in its day, four hundred years later makes the gospel seem antiquated and difficult to understand.2 It takes little thought to see who is behind such a conspiracy." - Source: Daniel B. Wallace [1] ,The Conspiracy Behind the New Bible Translationsoffsite "


In conclusion, mister Oxley, the new versions are good version, just do you homework and you will see it. Even Phelps say that in a discussion we must go to the greek, well, even using the Textvs Recetvs you will find that the KJV has errors, and that the New Versions not so much.

Have Greace and Peace,

Brother Maximiliano Aguaisol.

From: annunaki@fastmail.fm
To: dmaxi_gsl@hotmail.com; troy_space@me.com; avenueoflight@gmail.com; dougwill2001@yahoo.com; vsamuelbenitez@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: All-Seeing Eye of Satan at oil painting of Francisco de Borgia made by Alonso Cano.
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:48:01 +0000

You can stick those Bibles you mention where the sun does not shine, I only will deal with Geneva, Lutheran and KJV the rest are JESUITISM PERIOD! Are you a JESUIT Maxi? Well if not then stop acting like one and using FALSE BIBLES


On Tue, Dec 20, 2011, at 09:29 PM, maxi aguaisol wrote:

???????? Don't know really, but the new versions are good versions despite what kjv-onlytes cultists can claim without real proofs or without using misquotes and false testimony. Rightly the bests christians apologists and scholars use the new versions like the NASB or the NIV. "Anti-Jesuitism" is no necessarily equal to "Good Christian". Or did nobody finds it strange that a Seventh-day Adventist as Wilkinson was the first to preach the doctrine of KJV-Onlysm when this version contradicts much of what preaches this same sect? ...

Thursday, December 22, 2011

M- Was Not Nessarily a Virgin?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-joel-hoffman/five-mistakes-bible-translation_b_1129620.html?ref=daily-brief?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=120911&utm_medium=email&utm_content=BlogEntry&utm_term=Daily%20Brief

excerpt

Starting about 2,300 years ago, the Hebrew Bible was translated into a Greek version now known as the Septuagint. One shortcoming of that translation is its inattention to near synonyms. For instance, the Hebrew words for "love," "mercy" and "compassion" are frequently mixed up, because they mean nearly the same thing. Likewise, because most young women in antiquity were virgins and most virgins were young women, the Septuagint wasn't careful to distinguish the words for "virgin" and "young woman" in translation.

This is how the Hebrew in Isaiah 7:14 -- which describes a young woman giving birth to a boy who will be named Emmanuel -- ended up in Greek as a virgin giving birth. Though these facts about Greek and Hebrew are generally undisputed among scholars, the translation error remains, both because people are usually unwilling to give up familiar translations, and also perhaps because the Gospel of Matthew describes the virgin birth of Jesus by quoting the mistaken Greek translation of Isaiah 7:14.

Metaphors are particularly difficult to translate, because words have different metaphoric meanings in different cultures. Shepherds in the Bible were symbols of might, ferocity and royalty, whereas now they generally represent peaceful guidance and oversight. So the image of the Lord as shepherd in Psalm 23 originally meant that the Lord was mighty, fierce and royal. The impact was roughly the same as "the Lord is a man of war." But in most English-speaking cultures, "the Lord is my shepherd" conveys a wholly different, and therefore inaccurate, image.

Similarly, kinship terms like "father," "brother," "sister," etc. were used in the Bible specifically to indicate power structure. This is why the romantic Song of Solomon -- the Bible's only full length treatise on relationships -- says "my sister, my bride" or "my sister, my spouse." On its face, that English translation is not only unromantic but in fact felonious. The original point, however, was that the woman in this relationship should be the man's equal.

Saturday, December 17, 2011

Future Challenger

JKS- needs to know:

http://wwwfreespeechbeneathushs.blogspot.com/2007/11/wobble-effect-of-politics.html
http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot.com/2009/07/wlodimir-ledochowski-kulturkampf_17.html
http://wwwtripwithinthebeltway.blogspot.com/2011/12/within-beltway.html



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/03/opinion/jfks-legacy-as-seen-by-his-grandson.html?_r=1

JFK's only grandson's first letter to the New York Times:

Letter to the Editors
From J.F.K.’s Grandson
Published: December 2, 2011

To the Editor:

As a young man inspired by politics and history who has spent time studying the Kennedy administration, I take issue with Ross Douthat’s Nov. 27 column, “The Enduring Cult of Kennedy,” about President John F. Kennedy, my grandfather.

Mr. Douthat suggests that President Kennedy was a “near disaster.” He criticizes Kennedy on civil rights; Kennedy was the first president to deem civil rights “a moral issue,” and applied federal authority to force desegregation.

The president described as “famously hawkish” resolved the Cuban Missile Crisis peacefully. Mr. Douthat does not mention what President Kennedy called his proudest accomplishment: the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty.

Contrary to what Mr. Douthat asserts about the Vietnam War, in 1963, at American University, Kennedy stated that America would never start a war. Many who served in his administration, including Ted Sorensen and McGeorge Bundy, long argued that my grandfather would have never invaded Vietnam as Lyndon B. Johnson did.

Finally, I take issue with Mr. Douthat’s condescending view of the American people. He suggests that Americans who admire President Kennedy — and as Mr. Douthat points out, the majority of Americans rank him among our best presidents — do not understand their own history.

Instead, I suggest that President Kennedy’s legacy remains relevant today not because of Camelot or conspiracy, but because Americans find inspiration and meaning there.

JOHN KENNEDY SCHLOSSBERG
New Haven, Nov. 30, 2011

Friday, December 16, 2011

Newt Gingrich- Exemplifying the Romish Rot

http://www.thomasnash.com/making/gingrich.htm

Older Stock White who falls away from Protestantism to suck up to Rome

Months ago he was written up as a has-been, whose staff deserted his campaign for U.S. President; but now, in the wake of Herman Cain's campaign 'suspension' for adultery, Gingrich is increasingly considered the 'front runner', despite his past adultery with divorce twice. As with then U.S. President Bill Clinton 14 years ago, the controlled media is way friendlier to those most loyal to Rome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich

Gingrich is of German, English, Scottish, and Irish ancestry,[11] and was raised a Lutheran.[12

A Southern Baptist since graduate school, Gingrich converted to Catholicism, [his 3rd and current wife] Bisek's faith, on March 29, 2009.[145] He said "over the course of several years, I gradually became Catholic and then decided one day to accept the faith I had already come to embrace." The moment when he decided to officially become a Catholic was when he saw Pope Benedict XVI on his visit to the United States in 2008: "Catching a glimpse of Pope Benedict that day, I was struck by the happiness and peacefulness he exuded. The joyful and radiating presence of the Holy Father was a moment of confirmation about the many things I had been thinking and experiencing for several years."[146] Gingrich has stated that he has developed a greater appreciation for the role of faith in public life following his conversion, and believes that the United States has become too secular. At a 2011 appearance in Columbus, Ohio, he said, "In America, religious belief is being challenged by a cultural elite trying to create a secularized America, in which God is driven out of public life."[101]

Gingrich has been a prolific amateur reviewer of books, especially of military histories and spy novels, for Amazon.com. According to Katherine Mangu-Ward at The Weekly Standard, it is "clear that Newt is fascinated by tipping points—moments where new technology or new ideas cause revolutionary change in the way the world works".[147]


His 3rd and current wife Callista Bisek, is of Polish, and apparently German descent. I have seen internet acknowledgment of the former though not the latter (which I am assuming that Krause is German). I do not know if her entire family is Roman Catholic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callista_Gingrich

Gingrich was born Callista Louise Bisek to Alphonse Emil Bisek and Bernita (Krause) Bisek.[1] She graduated as valedictorian from Whitehall Memorial High School in Whitehall, Wisconsin, in 1984,[5] and cum laude from Luther College in Decorah, Iowa, in 1988.[4][6]

She is described as a devout Roman Catholic who lead him to convert, and is active with him in promoting a world-view of the Roman Catholic Church as a force that successfully fought communism.

Multimedia productions

Gingrich and her husband host and produce historical and public policy documentaries. Recent films include A City Upon a Hill,[7] America at Risk, Nine Days that Changed the World, Ronald Reagan: Rendezvous with Destiny, Rediscovering God in America, Rediscovering God in America II: Our Heritage, and We Have the Power.[8]

Gingrich is the voice for several audio books, including To Save America; Valley Forge; 5 Principles for a Successful Life; Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less; The Art of Transformation; Real Change; Contract with the Earth; and Rediscovering God in America.[4]

Gingrich's photography has been published in The New York Times and Washington Post and is featured in a photobook, Ronald Reagan: Rendezvous with Destiny, which she co-authored with Newt Gingrich and Dave Bossie.[9] Her photography is also featured in Rediscovering God in America and is regularly displayed on Newt.org and Gingrich Productions.com.[4]

Gingrich has authored a children’s book about American exceptionalism, entitled, Sweet Land of Liberty, featuring Ellis the Elephant.[4] The book was a New York Times Bestseller.[10][11]

Charitable work and other activities

Gingrich is the president of the Gingrich Foundation, a charitable nonprofit corporation. Among its charitable contributions, the Gingrich Foundation has established the Newt L. and Callista L. Gingrich Scholarship at Luther College in Decorah, Iowa, which provides annual scholarships for instrumental music majors.[12] She is a long-time member of the choir of the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, D.C.[13] and plays French horn with the City of Fairfax Band in Fairfax, Virginia.[14]

Newt Gingrich is the sort of "historian" who forgets why we had a reformation, and I'm not referring to that staged affair in Britain regarding King Henry XIII wanting a divorce. Likewise ignorant are the numerous 'evangelicals' who see him as the candidacy of "good".

The Gingrich's tightness with Rome should chill the spines of anyone conscious about the history of the 2nd 30 Years War of Religion.

Thursday, December 15, 2011

A Dialogue on EJP's Jesuitical Racism

Re: Brother Nick Booth / Brother Maxi's Separation Thanks to the Cultic Sectarian Racist/Dominionist Doctrine of Eric Phelps.
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Dear friends

While I do not agree with everything Maxi says I absolutely defend his right to speak it & see his correspondent's epistle as the very "cop out" that he alleges to be the "reality" behind Maxi's methodology of reaching input>process>output (grammar>logic>rhetoric; knowledge>understanding>wisdom) based conclusions, as contrasted with his own process-free, output-first contentions.

Whether Maxi has all the data necessary to provide an assessment to form the method to reach the most correct is a matter that must be treated on issue by issue basis, nevertheless his scholarship & comprehension of the all-too-easily-ignored problems that manmade, flawed traditions have made manifest & made by their breathing themselves into ideological existence false idols of themselves, is a challenge that quite frankly the disputing parties that he has dealt with recently have more than met their match in.

However: I will state though that whether the overt Trinitarian aspects within the New Testament are interpolations or not, I see a clear implied divine trinity within the Bible (all translations, even leaving the disputed passages to one side).

Now I do not take sides with the orthodox Constantinian Trinitarians nor the Monotarians (or whatever other name fits the bill) & consider all endless dialectics on this matter to be detractions from the centrepiece of Christ's imparted wisdom: the Sermon on the Mount. For me it is a both/and situation, not an either/or. Expecting one to fall into one camp or the other means a false choice between what I see as Judaic/Islamic Monotarianism (not exclusively the same as Monotheism) & orthodoxist Trinitarianism. That is all that I have to add to the matter.

Back to the disputed matters in Maxi's reposted correspondence: Continued Eric Phelps apologist Nick Booth refers to an "indirect inspiration" of the KJAV. Well "indirect" means that Man's translation - including obfuscation, distortion, oversimplification & outright error - must come into play. He then takes the either/or polemical rhetorical tactic of saying that his only other choice is to throw it into the trash. Despite my issues with the KJAV which I have made thoroughly clear in the past & have no intention of going into detail once again I do use this translation myself along with others & do not deny the beauty & power of the language, but will not let that blind me to its shortcomings & also realise that its rather baroque flourishes are a double edge sword that the Geneva translation makes only to clear. Nor is the Geneva perfect, but that is why God gave us intellect, to look deeper & both further develop that intellect & our spiritual insight.

Ignorant blind "belief" which does not follow up on the call to prove all things - which admittedly requires a willingness to develop both intellect & spirit & is not for the lazy - & thinks that it is enough to believe the false traditions (including interpretations) of others is to leave oneself open to believing lies & thus being the unwitting servant/dupe of the father of all lies.

As Maxi has discussed before, the Ashkenazi(m) can be shown to not be S(h)emites even by their own Book of Genesis' Table of Nations which reveals that Ashkenaz was the son of Gomer, the son of Japheth - Shem's brother, both being Noah's sons along with Ham. Thus we see the logical fallacy promoted by Eric Phelps, who seemingly holds the unreconcilable paradoxical positions of being both a self-declared Biblical uber-literalist & a promoter of the notion that the Ashkenazi(m) are actually S(h)emites. As they are not - by the very book that they recognise as & declare to be the first book of the Law - Shemites they cannot - unlike the descendants of Jacob - declare themselves to be Israelites, nor - unlike the descendants of Judah - declare themselves to be Judaeans.

Even allowing for these terms to be more broadly applicable to the occupants of these territories in the era of either the Old Testament or the New, we have no evidence that the descendants of Ashkenaz occupied those territories at any time prior to the 20th century of our era. Yet these Japhethites are able to live within Eric Phelps' proposed Probaptical yet not be able to breed with the other inhabitants, supposedly to keep their "Jewish" (which they aren't - see above) blood "pure". This is just endless diversionary construction put out to waste the time of all concerned either giving credence to an inherently fallacious proposition or to waste one's energy disputing it.

Maxi is probably as "white" as Eric Phelps, as Eric has self-admitted American Native blood & Maxi being self-admitted "half-Hispanic/half-white" must allow for the fact that Hispanic genes have a large amount of white in them tipping the balance way past the 50/50 mark. Would Maxi be allowed into Eric's Probaptical? Would Eric be allowed to stay in Probaptical? At the end of the day I see this Probaptical as being a dialectical tactic to get others to expend their energy on this world of matter ruled over by the father of all lies. While I agree with Eric's oft-spoken contention that "he who stands on his own rights takes away from no man" (I'm paraphrasing here, the precise wording eludes me at the moment, but that is the essential gist), I can also see far more problems than solutions being the outcome of this proposed "Utopia" (to use the term coined by that Papist nemesis of William Tyndale, "Sir" Thomas More, from the book of the same name). Just do a search for "amish beard cutting attacks" to see how things would almost certainly pan out (beards or no beards) in Probaptical. This piece for example: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2060457/Latest-Amish-beard-cutting-attack-Son-attacked-father-scissors-holding-cutting-hair-beard.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Now the most telling line is actually in the comments: "Sounds like a government Co-Intelpro operation." Hmm, well I think that we could apply that to "Probaptical" too. Note that Eric Phelps' flag - & most particularly his further intentions for it as conveyed to myself in email before our disassociation in late 2010 - betrays a deep, occultic outlook that is at odds with his rhetoric & more in line with the black magic sorcery of his ostensible high Jesuit "opponents".

Peace be with you -

TS


On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:25, Douglas Willinger wrote:

> Cultic- Racist hits the proverbial nail on its head.
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> Such is a jesuitical seed to attempt to discredit the Protestant anti shadow government movement, designed to play right into their hands.
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> Douglas Willinger
> Continuing Counter Reformation
>
> From: maxi aguaisol
> To: Troy ; Douglas Willinger ; Avenue of Light ; Nick Booth ; Samuel Benitez
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 12:03 PM
> Subject: Brother Nick Booth / Brother Maxi's Separation Thanks to the Cultic Sectarian Racist/Dominionist Doctrine of Eric Phelps.
>
> The following is a conversation between brother Nick Booth and myself. This must not be understood as an attack against anyone, nor against Booth, nor against Phelps, but against certain doctrines. It is not an act of revenge because "the revenge belongs to God" (Romans 12:19). It's sole purpose is to illustrate and exemplify how works the fanaticism in the anti-Jesuit movement. There is available much information that succinctly proofs that the material racism, the King James version of the Bible, and the doctrine of the trinity, are not Biblical, then ¿why there is some many people that still believe in these doctrines? Is thanks to the fear of mens, emotionalism and peer pressure that some christians fall into both spiritual/biblical and material/scientifical fallacies like these. The modern era is still in adolescence, and unless it matures, it can not defend itself from the ravages of evil. Therefore we must not destroy but promote the debates, because if the debate is denies then the Freedoms of Expressión and Concience are denied. That's why i publish this, becouse i can not kill the debate. In Christ - Brother Maxi.
>
> [For documentations about the issues discussed in this conversation please visit the following links:
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> Regarding the King James Version of the Bible: The King James Only Resource Center, The KJV-Only Issue, The KJV-Only Debate Blog, The King James Only Movement, New Age Bible Versions Refuted, A Response to William Schnoebelen's Conversion to KJV Onlyism, Texe Marrs Demonstrates Yet Once Again That Facts and Logic Mean Nothing When A Conspiracy Is At Stake, The Westcott and Hort Resource Centre.
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> Regarding the doctrine of Material Racism: One Blood: The Biblical Answer to Racism, Is Christianity a white man's religion?, Ph.D., Theo.D., William Lane Craig Response to the question: "Is Christianism a White Man's Religion?", What does the Bible say about ethnocentrism?.
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> Regarding the doctrine of the Trinity: A history of the origin of the doctrine of the Trinity in the Christian church, The Trinity Defined and Refuted.]
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>
> Nick Booth
> Nick Booth
> Dear Maxi,
> It pains me to have to say this but I think we should cease communication. This pains me bacause I have considered you a friend/brother Why do I want to not communicate? Because I consider Eric Jon Phelps a brother/ friend, he is the one I first heard the Gospel from. Therefore I will be forever grateful to him for this. I already talked to Doug, and told him that I have not interest of communication after he called Eric a "Racist". I already heard you say that "only God knows why" you haven't brought up your issues with him up til now. Frankly I think that is sort of a cop out. I remember you having no problem with the idea of ProBatical, or a nation in South America for Spanish speaking Christians? Also not until recently have you denied the Triune Godhead: of God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Spirit.. This is different than the false counterfeit "Trinity" of the Roman Catholic Church which is of course Isis, Horus, and Set. If I can't believe the translation of the AV1611 KJV to be correct and indirectly inspired by God, I might as well throw it in the trash. Doe not God preserve what he inspired?
>
> I agree there are two spiritual races. You are either a "son of disobedience" of the Devil, or a "son of God" by believing on the name of his "only begotten Son" the Lord Jesus Christ. However I will always be identified as White, and you for instance as Hispanic. There is no escaping that fact. Why should we not want to preserve our peoples and our cultures. I never said people of different backgrounds can't worship together.
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> I wish no animosity or hatred. I just think we should disassociate.
>
> Regards,
> Nick
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> I already expect you to label me "antichrist" though I don't call you that.
>
> Maximiliano Aguaisol
> Maximiliano Aguaisol
> Nick i had never read this until now, i guess i don't care much about Facebook... Ok, i understand your position, that is, to follow the first men that convince you, and to not first properly "prove all things". If i does not disagreed with EJP in the past was becouse the past is not the present, in the same way that you don't do the exact things like as one o more years before. I will pray for God and i only ask to you that you only make your own and complete and impartial investigation regarding the following falacies and lies: "that God the Father is not One, but 3 persons", "that the KJV 1611 is a perfectly translated Bible", "that the Bible does not condemns the concept of material racism", "that God wants the christians dominate and rule nations", etc. Finally if you don't want communication, therefore you don't want the truth, becouse even the apostles and christians of the 1st century preached and debated to all mens. This is not a christian attitude. Although that i understand in the position in which you are and i understand you... Again, i will pray to the Father to by with you and to help you. Finally, i can not label you as an "antichrist" becouse i believe you already accepted Jesus Christ and his sacrifice. There is no biblical basis in which i would be able to call you in that way. As me, i will follow God, not mens. In Christ, Brother Maxi [Postdata: i am 1/2 "hispanic" 1/2 white]
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Bill O'Reilly Assaults Citizen Journalist



Asked about attending a fundraiser for Newt Gingrich, Bill O'Reilly behaves unprofessionally.

Wednesday, December 14, 2011

Angelina Jolie CFR Disinfo?



http://collider.com/in-the-land-of-blood-and-honey-movie-clips-images/130209/

Council on Foreign Relations member actress Angelina Jolies's new movie "In the Land of Blood and Honey" seen as western [Roman Empire] disinformation regarding the recent religious war in the breakup of Yugoslavia.

Branislav Djukic, head of the Bosnian Serb Association of Camp Prisoners held during the country's 1992-1995 war, states that her new movie "Is showing lies" portraying them as the only ones responsible for raping women!

So far these accusations seem to be based upon the trailers- the movies is due for release December 23, 2011 - however, given the permanence of the western roman catholic church empire upon anything having to do with Yugoslavia's breakup, it would be more surprising if the movie were objective in showing the many atrocities of the "pro-west" forces.

http://www.inthelandofbloodandhoney.com/OfficialSite#/home

getlost December 13th, 2011 8:58 pm

This is a propaganda film sponsored for by the Council on Foreign Relations , which Angelina is a member of ( google it ) , that focuses on the Serbs as the bad guys as usual . The fact is there is no proof for the allegations of rape as instrument of war and mass rape in the balkan wars . This is all mass hysteria and pr firm garbage . Jolie is part of that garbage . Look , a woman who likes knives while having sex is going to lecture the world about the Balkan wars and what she thinks happened there . Get lost please , Jolie .


http://perezhilton.com/2011-12-13-bosnian-serb-war-victim-wants-in-the-land-of-blood-and-honey-banned#.Tukb0NTxcX4

Natalija says – reply to this 15

Phffttt. Angelina does not have good intentions with this movie, sorry. Why would she write the script anyways!!!

Back in 2010 when the flim was in production, Zeljko Mitrovic refused to allow the crew or whatever its called to use his Pink International Company's subsidiary Pink Films International in Šimanovci because and i quote: "I've held great affection and admiration for Angelina Jolie both as a person and as an artist, but unfortunately she's full of prejudice against the Serbs. I do not wish to be part of something that for the umpteenth time presents the Serbs as eternal bad guys"

Couldnt agree with him more, but i am serbian sooo yeah. this movie is just fustrating and im sure it will cause even more drama when its released around the world.

Newt Gingrich Inspired by George Weigel Books

Electing him would be a great mistake- TOTAL Pro-Papist Suck-Up!



I am often asked when I chose to become Catholic. However, it is more truthful to say that over the course of several years I gradually became Catholic and then decided one day to accept the faith I had already come to embrace.

My wife, Callista, is a lifelong Catholic and has been a member of the choir of the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, D.C., for 15 years. Although I was Southern Baptist, I had attended Mass with Callista every Sunday at the basilica to watch her sing with the choir.

I accompanied Callista to Rome in 2005, when the choir was invited to sing at St. Peter’s Basilica. While there, I had the opportunity to talk at length with Msgr. Walter Rossi, rector of the basilica in D.C., about faith, history and many of the cultural challenges, including secularism, facing our country. Our conversations were enlightening and intriguing.

During that trip, I experienced my first visit to St. Peter’s Basilica, and I recall marveling at being in the presence of the historic truth of the Church that day.

At the same time, I was being influenced by several books I was reading, including George Weigel’s The Cube and the Cathedral, about the crisis of secularism in Europe, and his book The Final Revolution, about the role of Christianity in freeing Eastern Europe from an atheistic dictatorship.

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/newt-gingrich-why-i-became-catholic

George Weigel- "It's a safe bet that no Jesuit provincial in the U.S. has appreciatively quoted Wladimir Ledochowski for rather a long time. That, and the unsparing honesty of Father Levensï's address, suggests that something interesting, and just possibly hopeful, is afoot."

http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot.com/2008/05/wlodimir-vladimir-ledochowski-usually.html

No wonder why Wlodimir Ledochowski is so rarely mentioned
http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot.com/2009/07/wlodimir-ledochowski-kulturkampf_17.html

Tuesday, December 13, 2011

Monday, December 12, 2011

Anti Biblical Plan to Establish Black Slave/Protestant/Baptist Nation in Shemitic North America

From: maxi aguaisol
To: Troy ; Avenue of Light ; Craig Oxley ; Douglas Willinger ; Eric Jon Phelps
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:51 PM
Subject: Anti-Biblical Plan to Establish Black Slave/Protestant/Baptist Nation in Shemitic North America

Again with this crap! Why you don't answer my mail in which i totally refuted your antibiblical racist doctrine!? After all the colaboration and fellowship... you just answer (and publish!) the first flattering and easy mail that anyone send you?! Eric, what you do, you "Do as thou wilt"! http://www.vaticanassassins.org/2011/11/biblical-plan-to-establish-a-new-black-protestant-nation-in-shemitic-north-america/

Thanks to the Virginia Company of the King James I for the trade of black slaves from Africa to North America!

And again with the LIE that the curse of Canaan was a Curse to the Blacks! It was not a curse to Ham , it was a curse to Canaan! If was a curse to Ham, then ¿why hamites like the egiptians, and others ruled over Israel? What a liar seeking for money. Of EJP, i eat the antijesuit meat, and spit very far away the false christian bones! Let that for the dogs!

"remembering the sons of Shem have never done anything for Black Africans" - EJP... O_o What? What about here in South America where be help them a lot? Or what about the christians jews and asians that preached the Gospel to Africa? Read your Bible Eric! Or even some real book of history! This is a great insult against everyone!

‎"Once they have established their independence, they then can enter into a treaty with a White nation which treaty will indicate their submission to that existing White nation in North America. This treaty of submission in exchange for pr ...otection from foreign invaders is called, in the law, a treaty of “suzerainty.” My new White Protestant/Baptist/Calvinist nation of ProBaptiCal could enter into such a treaty with your Black nation" - EJP. I am a shemite! And i do not want ProBaptiCal in America! What do EJP do about that? Betrayal! Betrayal now, betrayal in the future.

‎"Neither Blacks, nor Hispanics nor Asians have that ability if we are to learn from the history of the last 500 years." - EJP. ¿And what about the other 5000 years? O_o You liar! Before everyone, we the shemites ruled ALL! The Modern Era is not thanks to whites but thanks to GOD!

Come on, continue with the jesuit tactic, do not answer me! You know that i can and i will refute you.

Very angry... a shemite.

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I'll add that it was Virginia that got over on the world with its unhealthy promotion of its "Bright Leaf" (cigarette grade) Tobacco (with a much larger leaf size with less nicotine and other components per leaf matter), created for extra repeated use to increase sales and profits while creating massive health problems, and since the early 1900s buttressed by that protectionist scheme upon its behalf known as the war on drugs (with the to be maligned Coca leaf feared as a Tobacco habit cure by the very prohibitionists in the USDA and the AMA-APhA), and a public health care disaster costing some 100 million lives from this cigarette-pharma market protection.

Saturday, December 10, 2011

Tupper Saussy- Chiniquuy 'Great Fatal Mistake of the U.S. Govt'

Freemasonic Subservience to Rome




Tupper Saussy Rulers of Evil page 251-252

“The great fatal mistake of the American government in the prosecution of the assassination of Abraham Lincoln,” wrote Rev. Charles Chiniquuy, the excommunicated priest whom Lincoln had successfully defended in his early law career (see note 2, chapter 22),
was to cover up the religious element of that terrible drama. But this was carefully avoided throughout the trial.2
The religious element – the fact that all seven of the conspirators were devoted Roman Catholics – was carefully avoided because of those who controlled the trial.. As Commander in Chief of the armed forces, it was Johnson himself who quite constitutionally reigned supreme over the Hunter Commission.

But Johnson was also a Freemason, which meant that he followed the wise direction of the Unknown Superior. Thus the real power behind the Hunter Commissions was Superior General Pieter Jean Beckx, a relatively young Belgian who was a great favorite of Pio Nono, Pope Pius IX, the only head of the state in the world to recognize the Southern Confederacy as a Sovereign nation. Obedient to the will of General Beckx, President Jonson issued an executive order closing the courtroom to the working press. At the end of each day, officials would ration to selected reporters from the Associated Press news carefully evaluated to keep “the religious element’ out of the public consciousness.

Charles Chinquuy tirelessly investigated the assassination. After the conspirators were executed he went incognito to Washington and found that
Not a single one of the government men would discuss it with we except after I had given my word of honor that I would never mention their names. I saw with profound distress, the t the influence of Rome was almost supreme in Washington. I could not find a single statesman who would dare to face that nefarious influence and fight it down.

Tupper Saussy on the Jesuit Plot to Assassinate Abraham Lincoln
http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot.com/2007/10/tupper-saussy-on-jesuit-plot-to.html

More upon Papal-Masonic Dynamics
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Tupper Saussy on Freemasonry



Tupper Saussy from Rulers of Evil page 120

Hold Freemasonry up to the light and you cannot help but see the black papacy’s watermark. Isn’t it reasonable, given the circumstances, that the “G” in the genre of the familiar Masonic emblem represents the initial of “Gesu”, the residence of the black pope at the Jesuit’s world headquarters at Number 5, Borgo Sancto Spiritus, in Rome? Freemasons wouldn’t suspect this, nor would Jesuits. It would be information reserved uniquely to the unknown superior, who shares what he knows with no one. “Your enemies will serve you without their wishes, ‘” said Sun-tzu, “or even their knowledge.”

Freemasonry was the natural, the reasonable, the only intelligent way for the Roman Catholic Church to control (a) the ongoing affront of Protestantism, (b) the increase in divine right kings heading their own national churches independent of Vatican control, and (c) the incredible explosion of international mercantilism.

Like the aquatic creature whose mouth resembles a comfortable resting place to its prey, the Lodges were a sagacious recycling of the old Templar infrastructure into a dynamic spiritual and economic brotherhood that gave Protestants, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, agnostics, and anyone else with an opportunity to build a better life outside Roman Catholicism, yet still under the Church’s superintending eye. For Sun-tzu said, “The General sees all, hears all, does all, and in appearance is not involved with anything.” The Jesuit General is the disembodied eye substituting for pyramid’s missing capstone, the stone the builders rejected.

The Lodge’s secrecy and its condemnation by the Church were essential to sustaining the integrity of both institutions. And so the deepest Masonic secret, the secret that not even the Grandmasters could penetrate, was that all their secrets were known to one man alone, the Superior General of the Society of Jesus. This should not surprise anyone aware of how thoroughly Freemasonry is suffused with Jesuit technique. Both Freemasonry and the Society of Jesus are (a) humanist religious orders, (b) secretive, (c) fraternal, (d) socially conscientious and politically active – questing, like Aeneas, the prototypical Roman, for the greatest good for the greatest number. Both orders (e) hold Tradition, Reason, and Experience in equal if not greater esteem than the Bible, (f) employ carefully structured programs of gnostic visualization to achieve an ever-increasing knowledge of the divine, (g) condone “the end justifies the means”, and (h) require absolute obedience, secured by a blood oath, to a hierarchy of superiors culminating in the Jesuit General, whose orders are so wisely suited to the recipient that they are obeyed as though willed by the recipient himself.

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