Friday, March 14, 2014

The Reincarnation of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth & Eastern Germany


http://www.electricpolitics.com/media/mp3/EP2014.02.24.mp3

Also at http://prorevnews.blogspot.com/2014/02/we-interrupt-ukraine-news-with-some.html

Very interesting interview.

George Kenney interviews Russian scholar Stephen F Cohen about Ukraine

See it especially at 17:00-22:00 and 35:00-42:00

Suggests allowing Kiev-Ukraine to join as a junior partner with Lithuania and Poland, in order to preserve Russian oriented southern and eastern areas of Ukraine for Russia.  Lithuania and Poland are here identified as the two countries at the forefront of pushing EU regime change in Ukraine, with the support of Germany.
19:10  They would as you say draw a red line on say Sevastopol, and so for Washington to think they we can wrest these territories from Russian orbit is extremely dangerous, and its not going to happen.

And its not going to happen.

Russia is not going to let eastern Ukraine go.

Actually, If Putin asked my opinion

If I were a patriotic Russian citizen instead of a patriotic American citizen as I am

I would say to Putin what do you want western Ukraine for anyway its nothing but trouble? I they want to go and be a junior poor partner with Lithuania and Poland and oh by the way it is Poland and Lithuania that have been driving this EU march on Ukraine, let them go. They are not Russian … western Ukraine was part of the polish empire, part of the Austrian empire; it has few affinities with Russia, whereas eastern Ukraine is Russian essentially. Let them go. And what do you get? You get the most populous part of Ukraine, that’s eastern and southern Ukraine. You preserve your naval base. … you won’t have the basket-case of western Ukraine
Mentions 'sidebar' story of Germany to become more assertive, with the need for Polish compensation to the east.
36:20 You mentioned Poland and Lithuania pushing for some change in Ukraine… What is your sense of the German role in all of this?

Well that’s the sidebar story but an important one. I can’t claim expertise on it but I looked into it asked people, and it appears to have this pre-history. Poland is very nervous about Germany’s growing role in Europe. So Poland wanted some empire of its own, like it …[once had]. It wanted Ukraine … to offset German economic and political influence. Meanwhile Germans has been talking about a more assertive foreign policy- taking more leadership. Now you got to remember that the wounds of WW2 are not completely healed; so when you tell a Polish citizen of a certain generation that Germany’s going to get more assertive, they get a little worried. So they wanted to enhance their sphere of influence economically and politically, and Poland was the ticket.
Ghosts of the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth
http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot.com/2013/12/ukraine-split-ghosts-of-polish.html
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10 comments:

  1. avlesMarch 16, 2014 at 3:44 AM

    You'll surely notice that "Madrid" contained in the excerpt...:

    "......
    During the CIMIN conference of December 12-14, 2011 in Madrid the European Gendarmerie Force accepted the submitted application of the Minister of National Defense of RP to grant the Military Gendarmerie of the Polish Armed Forces full membership. ........"
    [ http://www.zw.wp.mil.pl/en/253.html ]

    ....quoted in my

    http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.it/2014/03/poland-and-lithuania-with-eurogendfor.html

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  2. avlesMarch 16, 2014 at 7:34 AM

    I erased the original post in order to upgrade it with a very important reasonement with which I believe the case of Smolensk 2010 Crash basically closed. The upgade starts with "...Therefore give a look to this timeline:..." and end with "...And the case is closed.." at the new address:

    Sunday, March 16, 2014
    Poland and Lithuania members of EUROGENDFOR [case closed]

    http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.it/2014/03/poland-and-lithuania-members-of.html

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  3. avlesMarch 21, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    I put here this comment I sent to your FB page:

    Avles Beluskes See here, your blog is the right place for this stuff, better than mine : "... All the orders were given either by the US embassy or by Jan Tombinski, a Polish representative who worked in the EU mission in Kiev. Poland played an invaluable role in the coup. It has always dreamt of restoring its former power and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. ...." from an article of Russia Today reported in my http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.it/.../aleksandr...
    Control-avles-blogs: Aleksandr Yakimenko's open confession of EU-Putin Pact 2014
    control-avles-blogs.blogspot.com

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  4. TimothyMarch 23, 2014 at 9:41 AM

    This is an interesting story.

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  5. dfffffMarch 23, 2014 at 9:37 PM

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    Keep up your efforts.

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  6. MartaMarch 27, 2014 at 5:01 AM

    That is not true about Poland. I am Polish so I will tell you. Poland and Germany came long way since WWII to rebuild their relations. And we are happy that those are changing for better. We need each other for economical reasons. We share latin culture, we are in EU, We as a country work hard to live better. So what is a businnes for Poland to be joined to poorer countries? And what is the business for Poland to be again in oposition to Germany. I and my friends, familly and people that I know, we dont want any Polish Lituanian Ukrainian commonwealth. We dont want also share a border with Russia!!!

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  7. Douglas Andrew WillingerMarch 27, 2014 at 12:58 PM

    Marta-

    Poland already HAS a border with Russia- the so called Kalingrad Oblast, and what do you mean by opposition to Germany? - so what you are saying does not add up.

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  8. avlesApril 12, 2014 at 8:26 AM

    Saturday, April 12, 2014

    "Anders Breivik’s connection with LITHUANIA has been revealed."

    http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.it/2014/04/anders-breiviks-connection-with.html

    "...Anders Breivik’s connection with Lithuania has been revealed. In the court, held in Oslo on Wednesday, the extremist terrorist admitted that he had been in Lithuania in January 2004 for 25 hours and opened a bank account in “Snoras”, delfi.lt reports....."

    http://www.lithuaniatribune.com/12172/a-breivik-had-a-bank-account-in-snoras-201212172/

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  9. avlesApril 12, 2014 at 8:31 AM

    "...I and my friends, familly and people that I know, we dont want any Polish Lituanian Ukrainian commonwealth. We dont want also share a border with Russia!!! ...."

    Marta, you are with good companions, for example (KBG/FSB) major general Alexander Yakimenko is of your the same exact opinion:

    ".... All the orders were given either by the US embassy or by Jan Tombinski, a Polish representative who worked in the EU mission in Kiev. Poland played an invaluable role in the coup. It has always dreamt of restoring its former power and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. ....".

    [ a statement by Major General Alexander Yakimenko, February 2014 - see link before References ]

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  10. avlesApril 13, 2014 at 3:17 AM

    Avles Beluskes "... ‘Britain is open for business.’ This is a nice slogan. But when in practice it means that Ukrainian political bosses and police chiefs with blood on their hands can safely hide stolen assets in the UK the globalisation glitz turns an ugly color...." Sunday, April 13, 2014
    "Guilty conscience: How Britain betrayed Ukraine" http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.it/.../guilty...
    Control-avles-blogs: "Guilty conscience: How Britain betrayed Ukraine"
    control-avles-blogs.blogspot.com

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