David Koresh Mixed Bible Studies with Movies

(excerpt) The Bible studies and the long nightly harangues about peace and love that used to dominate the nights at Ranch Apocalypse were suddenly getting strong competition from "Full Metal Jacket," "Platoon," and Hamburger Hill" and other war movies he personally picked out. - Waco- p 112 Apocalyptic Prophecies

David Koresh mixed Bible studies with movies.

Did he merely stick to war movies?  Or ... Something as this involving Rosemary's Baby, Exorcist 1 & 2 and others

Considering that his project was deciphering the Bible's Book of Revelations Book of Seals, might have he been deciphering something via snippets from different movies?  Certainly more likely those with overtly religious themes.

Considering that we were living in the end times, deciphering a story curently on-going ... which revealing it prematurely, say 1993, would screw things up, hence providing the legitimate reason for repressing whatever was what I call the $64,000 dollar question of the story that had to for a time, remain bottled.

Wlodimir Ledochowski's Afterglow 7 Clinton's Waco Massacre

There seemed, indeed, during those years of Ledochowski, Pius XI, and Pius XII, no real limit to what both Jesuitism and overall Roman Catholicism could achieve. Even – especially, we should say – in the afterglow of Ledochowski’s long reign and into the Generalate of his successor, Belgian Jean-Baptise Janssens, the magic power of the momentum seemed to continue.

William Jefferson Clinton would waste even less time displaying that-- as Commander in Chief -- he was a cold blooded murderer of some 88 people, for the sake of enforcing ancient Vatican dictates against heretics, via his cowardly approach to the Branch Davidian sect in Waco, Texas.

Its leader David Koresh, was ostensibly targeted for arrest on never substantiated methamphetamine manufacturing charges (that would statutorily allow such a use of military in domestic law enforcement), though was writing a paper about the Bible’s Book of Revelations Book of Seven Seals.

I find it incomprehensible that there has been so little attention placed on just what Koresh was writing, particularly amongst anti-Vatican Bible scholars, as it is plausible that some writings could displease established religious authorities, that Rome has a long history of suppressing the written words of ‘heresies’, and the connections throughout the government and the MSM to pull that of.

Such over-the-top ‘law enforcement’ -- to arrest a man who routinely jogged providing numerous opportunities for an easier arrest -- starting a 2+ month long siege culminating with armored tanks crashing their turrets into the Branch Davidian building, and the shooting of flammable gas into this building which the FBI had turned off its electricity and knew was being lit via lanterns, starting a fire killing 88 Branch Davidians, including many children, marks a military action of a religious inquisition.

Waco ended any doubt that such Naziesque behavior by the government could indeed happen here and more disturbingly with the acquiescence if not support of the general public.

The reporting by such MSM entities as The Washington Post -- infamous for lying about some of the most monumental things within the Beltway -- could serve as textbook examples of spin to deny sympathy to Koresh and by extension his followers, and continually distract from the $64,000 question of just what was Koresh writing about the Book of Seals, and particularly just what within would have been so objectionable?

Vatican Tool: Donald Graham,
Executive Publisher, The Washington Post

http://www.sevenseals.com/

http://www.watchman.org/cults/seven.htm

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/gopher/text/religion/koresh/Koresh%20Seals

'Anti-Cult' Roman Catholic Cultists

Thanks to Thomas Richards- Spiritually Smart

http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=2775

"Rev. Debold is a recent contributor to "Cults, Sects, and the New Age," edited by fellow AFF Advisory Committee member Rev. James LeBar. Totally on his own account, Rev. Debold has published on cults in The Journal of Dharma (Bangalore, India), and in AFF's Cult Observer and Cultic Studies Journal. He is currently preparing a "pre-conference" session for clergy on the occasion of next October's Cult Awareness Network national convention. He is in fact associated with the New York/New Jersey affiliate of CAN and the representative of the Newark Archdiocese on the New York Interfaith Coalition of Concern About Cults, the first such interfaith association in the United States."

http://www.icsahome.com/infoserv_profile/debold_walter.asp

The Above mentioned "AFF" stands for American Family Foundation (Sounds so nice!).

"AFF's official history claims it was founded in 1979 by a concerned parent, Kay Barney, the retired Raytheon International Affairs Director, and Dr. John Clark of Harvard Medical School." (Raytheon just happens to be is a major American defense contractor and the world's largest producer of guided missiles.)

Thats the common information. Here's what Barbara Boyd writes, "AFF's official history claims it was founded in 1979 by a concerned parent, Kay Barney, the retired Raytheon International Affairs Director, and Dr. John Clark of Harvard Medical School, in response to the threat posed by violent and coercive cults, particularly in the aftermath of the purported (reputed or claimed; alleged:) mass suicides of the members of the People's Temple Church of the Rev. Jim Jones, in Guyana in 1978. In contemporary language, this version of AFF's founding is an “urban legend.” In reality, the AFF's business is mind-control. Three of its “experts,” Robert J. Lifton, Louis Jolyon “Jolly” West, and Margaret Singer, did not merely study mind-control—they practiced coercive conditioning in the Nazi-doctor-style horrific secret experiments funded by the CIA's and Army intelligence's MK-Ultra. A fourth MK-Ultra veteran with AFF, Rabbi Maurice Davis, actually financed the psychotic Rev. Jim Jones of the People's Temple suicide church, in Jones's early years in Indianapolis.
However, in 1977, when a series of Congressional hearings in the Senate and House of Representatives forced the CIA et al. to close down the covert mind-control programs, Lifton, Singer, West, and others who had worked for years on the covert CIA payroll, were cut loose. They found a new home in the AFF."



Here Father Lebar goes into a detailed explanation as to why Opus Dei isn't a cult:



"Cult-Like Practices?"
"Opus Dei has been accused by critics of having "cult-like" practices. Religious scholars say Opus Dei is not a cult. But many do say it engages in practices that appear cult-like, practices used by many strict religious groups and that used to be common in some Roman Catholic orders.

Though he doesn't believe Opus Dei is a cult, Father James LeBar, who has been the Archdiocese of New York's consultant on cults for some 20 years told ABCNEWS.com that some of Opus Dei's practices resemble those used in cults: "Yes, because they do use practices that were prevalent in the 1950s in all Catholic orders, [though] many of the orders have done away with them, the close supervision ... " he says.

LeBar says Opus Dei's practices are not necessarily wrong: "If someone wishes to follow a very strict way of life, and be very closely supervised, and they willingly go into that, that's fine," he says. "But if the group manipulates people so that this happens to them and they don't know it, I'd have objection to that."

LeBar says he has been in contact with Opus Dei over the years, "hoping to help them see where the line is drawn and where they cross over it." "What I've disagreed with at times are the methods by which they either invite people in or seek to keep them in when they want to leave," he says, but adds, "I've never found any serious problems, nothing to really raise a ruckus about." Source: http://www.rickross.com/reference/opus/opus1.html

Notice in the above bold that Lebar states, "If someone wishes to follow a very strict way of life, and be very closely supervised, and they willingly go into that, that's fine," This statement is in complete contradiction with the whole mission of the "anti-cult" movement. They are saying that people who are involved with what they consider cults aren't able to make this decision by themselves. Thus it is a completely hypocritical stance he is taking excusing groups affiliated with the Catholic Church while attacking all kinds of other groups that, in my opinion, are way less demanding.

http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153_09.asp

Chapter Nine: Betrayed?

Excerpt:

"In Martin's KINGDOM OF THE CULTS he never mentions Roman Catholicism as a cult, and never tells lost Roman Catholics to come out of that unscriptural system "THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." (Rev. 17:5)"

Does Walter Martin speak for the body of Christ? No! Only the Word of God does this. Yet, this man stands on his pedestal, with both hands filled with the slanderous garbage supplied by the Vatican and pro-Catholic sources, and he throws it at Alberto's character to destroy his reputation. Dr. Rivera says he has copies of the original material sent to Martin by the Vatican and the Jesuit superiors in Spain. But you'll notice, Martin hasn't bothered to attack Alberto's message that the Vatican is the whore of Revelation. Only Alberto, the man. And yet, is Martin without sin? What about Martin's past? His reputation could be slanderously destroyed also, just like anyone else's. Would this discredit all his information on Mormonism, and Jehovah's Witnesses? No! God uses us in spite of ourselves.


-Thomas

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This recalls the 'anti-cult' criminals that cooperated with the U.S. ATF and military's criminal murderous assault on the Branch Davidians of January 28 - April 19, 1993 under Jesiut Georgetown tool U.S. 'President' William Jefferson Clinton.

Behavior of people as this only reinforce the concept of the Roman Catholic Church as a cult.

Hillsdale College Honors Waco Mass Murder Cover Up Figure Louis Freeh

Dr. Larry P. Arnn, the president of Hillsdale College

Hillsdale College, Hillsdale Michigan, USA

Louis Freeh giving commencement address at Hillsdale College, 2008

Louis B. Freeh, director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation,

President David M. O'Connell, C.M., and Cardinal Bernard Law of Boston.

http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/burial/doc/b_hanssen.html

"No One In the FBI Wanted Anyone Harmed." For seven and a half years, as well as the autopsy reports, Mr. Freeh had access to crime scene photos and other forensic information. He had direct access to the FBI agents who were on the scene at Waco. And for seven and a half years, Mr. Freeh has been asserting the good intentions and righteous actions of the FBI in Waco. For seven and a half years Mr. Freeh, one of America's most prominent Catholics, has been blaming the Davidians for killing their own, blaming them for killing all those children and babies and mothers ... Speaking of the deaths of the Davidians just last September, Director Freeh said: "No one in the FBI wanted anyone harmed. Everyone did their best under extraordinarily difficult circumstances...." (Dallas Morning News, Plaintiffs take nothing 9/21/2000.)

Arrest the Davidian Murderers. When Sen. John Danforth issued his own report on the Waco Holocaust, he praised the FBI and blamed the Davidians for the Davidian deaths on April 19, 1993. America's famous Catholic, Louis Freeh, termed the Danforth report "both vigorous and thorough." In that vigorous and thorough report, Sen. Danforth revealed that the current leader of the Branch Davidians, fire survivor Clive Doyle, admitted to the Texas Rangers that the Davidians started the fire. Furthermore, the Danforth report says Doyle's hands were burned in a manner consistent with a "flashback" from a liquid fire; Doyle's jacket contained flammable liquids on both sleeves; the FBI has audio tapes of (alleged) Davidians conversing about starting the fire, and that "several" FBI agents saw Davidians "acting as if they were starting a fire." (Final Report, pgs. 17-20. ) Compelling evidence? An honest FBI director who believed the Danforth report was "both vigorous and thorough" would see to it that Clive Doyle (and other fire survivors) were arrested and charged in the Davidian deaths. But Clive Doyle and the fire survivors have not been criminally charged--no one has been charged for the deaths of murdered Davidians. Clearly, Mr. Freeh does not himself believe the story he tells. Perhaps he knows something he isn't mentioning. Let's look at the evidence he surely examined.

Let's Use Mr. Freeh's Eyes. Recall that Mr. Freeh has had first hand information on the Davidian deaths available to him for years. And for years Mr. Freeh has been saying the Davidians killed their own on April 19, 1993. Let's look at the October 1993 DoJ Report, published shortly after Mr. Freeh came to office. "The Tarrant County Medical Examiner's office, assisted by a team of anthropologists from the Smithsonian Institution, assisted in recovering the remains of the persons killed during the fire ...." (pg. 311). The Smithsonian experts have for years been the top forensic consultants to the FBI. Scrutiny of the autopsy reports will reveal that Drs. Douglas Ubelaker and Douglas Owsley were the Smithsonian experts present in the mortuary when the autopsies were performed. Furthermore, the pathologist of record has testified under oath that FBI experts lent other assistance during performance of the autopsies, such as fingerprint and DNA identification. These were first class autopsies. The FBI's top brains were right in the thick of things, helping the Texas locals out. But now let's focus on what the DoJ report says on the death of one of the mothers: "Judy Schneider was buried alive when the bunker collapsed," (pg. 315). "The bunker" is FBI-speak for a concrete room, originally built to provide fire-proof protection for church records. According to the official story, the moms and kids fled to that room on April 19 and died when it collapsed on top of them. At least, that's what the autopsy reports say.

"Inasmuch as ye have done unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." -- Matthew, 25:40

Statue at Hillsdale College of Margaret Thatcher

(1st statue of Thatcher in the U.S.)

Spiritually Smart- Waco
Continuing Counter Reformation- Hillsdale College: What 30 Years War?