Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Eject that Papal Core!

I see this as a call for the Catholic Church to Jettison the Core of the Papacy, and by extension the hidden over-rule of the 10 headed (or so) council of ancient families

Catholic theologian wants to unseat the Pope

Guardian, UK - One of the world's most prominent Catholic theologians has called for a revolution from below to unseat the pope and force radical reform at the Vatican.

Hans Küng is appealing to priests and churchgoers to confront the Catholic hierarchy, which he says is corrupt, lacking credibility and apathetic to the real concerns of the church's members.

In an exclusive interview with the Guardian, Küng, who had close contact with the pope when the two worked together as young theologians, described the church as an "authoritarian system" with parallels to Germany's Nazi dictatorship.

"The unconditional obedience demanded of bishops who swear their allegiance to the pope when they make their holy oath is almost as extreme as that of the German generals who were forced to swear an oath of allegiance to Hitler," he said.

The Vatican made a point of crushing any form of clerical dissent, he added. "The rules for choosing bishops are so rigid that as soon as candidates emerge who, say, stand up for the pill, or for the ordination of women, they are struck off the list." The result was a church of "yes men", almost all of whom unquestioningly toed the line.

"The only way for reform is from the bottom up," said Küng, 84, who is a priest. "The priests and others in positions of responsibility need to stop being so subservient, to organise themselves and say that there are certain things that they simply will not put up with anymore."
In the late 1960s, he became the first major Roman Catholic theologian since the late 19th century Old Catholic Church schism to publicly reject the doctrine of papal infallibility, in particular in his book Infallible? An Inquiry (1971). Consequently, on December 18, 1979, he was stripped of his missio canonica, his licence to teach as a Roman Catholic theologian, but carried on teaching as a tenured professor of ecumenical theology at the University of Tübingen until his retirement (Emeritierung) in 1996. To this day he remains a persistent critic of papal infallibility, which he claims is man-made (and thus reversible) rather than instituted by God. He was not excommunicated ferendae sententiae....
In the early 1990s, Küng initiated a project called Weltethos (Global Ethic), which is an attempt at describing what the world's religions have in common (rather than what separates them) and at drawing up a minimal code of rules of behaviour everyone can accept. His vision of a global ethic was embodied in the document for which he wrote the initial draft, Towards a Global Ethic: An Initial Declaration. This Declaration was signed at the 1993 Parliament of the World's Religions by religious and spiritual leaders from around the world. Later Küng's project would culminate in the UN's Dialogue Among Civilizations to which Küng was assigned as one of 19 "eminent persons." Even though it was completed shortly after the terrorist attacks of 9/11 (in September 2001), it was not covered in the U.S. media, about which Küng complained.[8][9][10]

In March 1991, he gave a talk titled "No Peace Among Nations until Peace Among the Religions" at UCSD's Price Center. He visited the nearby Beth El synagogue and spoke there on modern German-Jewish relations.[11]
In 1998, he published Dying with Dignity, co-written with Walter Jens, in which he affirms acceptance of euthanasia from a Christian viewpoint.
In 2005, Küng published a critical article in Italy and Germany on The failures of Pope Wojtyla. Küng argued that the world had expected a period of conversion, reform, and dialogue; but instead politically John Paul II offered a restoration of the pre-Vatican II status quo—thus blocking reform and inter-church dialogue and reasserting the absolute dominion of Rome.
This Papacy has repeatedly declared its fidelity to Vatican II, in order to then betray it for reasons of political expediency. Council terms such as modernization, dialogue, and ecumenicalism have been replaced by emphasis on restoration, mastery, and obedience. 
The criteria for the nomination of Bishops is not at all in the spirit of the Gospel... Pastoral politics has allowed the moral and intellectual level of the episcopate to slip to dangerous levels. A mediocre, rigid, and more conservative episcopate will be the lasting legacy of this papacy.
On September 26, 2005, he had a friendly discussion about Catholic theology over dinner with Pope Benedict XVI, surprising some observers.[12]
Nevertheless, in a 2009 interview with Le Monde, Küng deeply criticised the lifting of the excommunications on the bishops of the Society of Saint Pius X. At the same time, he made criticisms of the Pope's theology, saying it remained the same as that of the council of Nicea held in 325. The interview drew a rebuke from Cardinal Angelo Sodano.[13]
Based on Studium Generale lectures at Tübingen University, his latest publication, Der Anfang aller Dinge (The beginning of all things), discusses the relationship between science and religion. In an analysis spanning from quantum physics to neuroscience, he comments on the current debate about evolution in the United States, dismissing those opposed to the teaching of evolution as "naive [and] un-enlightened."
In his recent book Was ich glaube (Piper Verlag, 2010), he describes his own personal relationship with nature, how he learned to observe correctly, drawing strength from God’s creation without falling victim to a false and fanatic love of nature.
In April 2010, he published in several newspapers an open letter[14] to all Catholic bishops. In the letter he criticized Pope Benedict's handling of liturgical, collegial and inter-religious issues and also the sexual abuse scandals that have engulfed the Catholic Church. In the letter, he called on bishops to consider six proposals, ranging from speaking up and working on regional solutions to calling for another Vatican council.

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added oct 10, 2012:

Neccessary Topic for Kung and Others to Address:

Continuing Counter Reformation - Mieczyslaw Ledochowski



avles said...

If he was a true Christian, he would FIRST enlighten for example the role or Rome in the rising of Nazism and Stalinism, and then to ask repentance, and the reform of the church. If he FIRST ask for a reformation, repentance etc., WITHOUT to mention Hitler, Stalin, Himmler etc., it is suspicious. It could well be that he is only throwing the usual sand-in-the-eyes.

avles said...

Just to start doc Hans Küng could expose the role of Wladimir Ledochowsky and his Jesuit order as masterminds of the greatest carnage in human history, that thirty years of relisious mass assassination from 1914 to 1945. Here he can take some elements appeared in his the same maternal language (the links to the German pages are enclosed in the posts):



Douglas Andrew Willinger said...

Yes he could and should expose the role of the Ledochowskis (lets not forget the uncle Mieczyslaw!!!) and their demonic pride at the core of this.

The break with the doctrine of papal infalibility is good, but can only be good if it is a start...

Douglas Andrew Willinger said...

Also the political manipulation placing the good of the Vatican/Roman catholic Church over that of humanity.

avles said...

As for coincidence today I have difficulty with my e-mail box. I remember to have chosen the option to be warned of further comments. I discovered your comments only visiting this page, as I suspected that the not-well working e-mail box could just be linked with a message of yours...

avles said...


avles said...

....or doc Hans Küng, in order to start to be familiar with the matter, could for example to study the Vatican Fascist carnage of the Spanish civil war and the criminal role of Stalin ("stabber in the back", see the Vittorio Vidali born some kilometres far from my home) under the lense of the Jesuitical mercury:

Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Mercury and Vatican's Fascist genocide in Spain