I wonder what the real purpose of this attack is about? What is my opponent's endgame? Obviously he is a defender of the Jesuit Order, or at least wrecklessly attempts to be such.
I will say this is one of the most erudite attacks in quite a while. It reveals a sharp knowledge of history yet avoids certain irrefutable facts.
I shall reply below.
Im sorry to say it but under closer investigation many of Erics claims
completely fall apart.
Lets have a very quick look:
He claims that Bismarck, alongside protestant Prussia was "anti-popish".
Correct. Bismarck was indeed anti-pope and anti-priest (due to the doctrines of the pope's Temporal Power and Papal Infallibility), not anti-Roman Catholic people. He held the same position that I hold.
Complete bunkum because he doesnt tell you that Bismarck received the
Christusorden (the highest award that the Vatican gives out) from Leo
XIII in 1885 if I remember correctly. Hes the only protestant to ever
get it. He even met the pope himself.
I am totally unfamiliar with these two facts: that Bismarck received that highest papal award, the Order of Christ, and met with Pope Leo XIII---even as that Protestant traitor Kaiser Wilhelm II met with Pope Leo XIII in the early 1890s as I record in VAIII. Thank you sir, and I will check these two assertions out. Yes, he was the first Protestant to receive papal Knighthood into the Order of Christ which was a great compromise on his part as a true Protestant. But this was the pope's gesture of thanks for Bismarck ending the Kulturkampf in 1877, something to which I never would have consented until the revocation of the doctrine of the temporal power and papal infallibility. In this the Prince made a terrible compromise, but he was not pro-pope as the Jesuits and Redemptorists remained expelled from the Protestant Second Reich.
Accepting my opponent's assertion that the above two facts are true (now validated), I believe Bismarck's actions can be explained. We must remember the context of our discussion: the masters of the pope's Counter Reformation, the Jesuits, ruling Pope Pius IX from 1848 onward (after his confinement at Gaeta for his "liberal" action of proposing a Constitution for Italy), sought to destroy Protestant Prussia pursuant to the Order's Council of Trent. This fact is irrefutable.
Thus, the Company of Jesus designed to use the Roman Catholic nations of Austria, Bavaria and France to destroy Protestant Prussia. Once Protestant Prussia would fall, the Continent could then be made pro-Roman Catholic and subject to a revived Holy Roman Empire---the pope's endgame since the Jesuit Order used Napoleon to end Empire in 1806, the Company having been at war with the Vatican from 1773-1814. This cleverly laid, Jesuit conspiracy against Protestant Prussia began in 1866 with the Austrian-Prussian War and ended with the Jesuit-directed American, British, Soviet, and French Allied invasion and subjugation in 1944-45. Prussia, gang-raped and bombed into oblivion, ceased to be a nation by 1946. White Protestant Prussia is now no more. In the light of this history, we now must look to the actions of Freemason Bismarck, both for better or for worse, pertaining to his influence in the preservation of Lutheran Protestant Prussia---and the reversal of some of his policies, to the detriment of Protestant Prussia.
Protestant Lutheran Bismarck was an enemy of the blue-blooded, Knight of Malta-ruled, Roman Catholic Hapsburgs of Austria. He knew their abject hatred for Protestant Prussia and purposed intent to bring about another Thirty Years' War. Remember, the Thirty Years' War (1618-1648) was ignited by the Jesuit-trained and controlled Ferdinand II, its quest being to destroy the Protestant German people and thus Luther's Reformation of the North---in Prussia. Sweden's great Protestant Lutheran King, Gustavus Adolphus, fully understood the Jesuit design for which reason he brought his Lutheran Swedish troops into Germany to fight for the liberties of Protestant Germany. His dying words on the battlefield of Lutzen in 1632 were, as spoken to his killers:
"I am the King of Sweden, and thus I seal with my blood the religion and liberties of Germany."
Bismarck knew this was to be his fate if he resisted the Jesuit Order in Germany, hence he became "the Iron Chancellor"---and rightfully so.
The Jesuit Order launched its first attack in 1866. Austria declared war on Prussia: within seven weeks the war was over, Protestant Prussia the victor. At this time, Prussia was undergoing a great spiritual awakening due to the Bible-preaching of John Ronge, considered to be the second Martin Luther. It was a bold attempt on the part of the Ignatians: use the pope's Roman Catholic Austrian Empire coupled with the German "Protestant" Hanoverians (including the house of Saxe-Coberg-Gotha) to crush Protestant Prussia. Thank God it failed and Protestant German unity began with the birth of the North German Confederation. German hegemony began with this easy victory thanks to the brilliant military designs of Protestant Von Moltke the Elder, the leadership of the Prince and the courage of Kaiser Wilhelm I.
In that year, 1866, the Order attempted its first assassination of their dredful enemy, the Bible-reading, Lutheran Prince Otto von Bismarck. It failed. The Iron Chancellor got the message, but he kept to his course---the preservation of Protestant Prussia while not aspiring to empire.
The Order's second attempt in subjugating Protestant Prussia to the Temporal Power of the pope (that usurping temporal power created via a forgery in 756 AD and enforced by Pepin "the Great") was the calling of the First Vatican Council (1870). Therein, the damnable Syllabus of Errors set forth by Pope Pius IX in 1864 (whose "penholders were the Jesuits") was incorporated into the doctrines of that Council. One of those "Eighty Errors of Modern Civilization" condemned by Rome was the Protestant liberty of freedom of conscience. Now, no Protestant had the right to choose his own religion. Futher, in 1870, the doctrine of the Infallibility of the Pope was incorporated into Canon Law, placing the pope over the Kaiser's political affairs. This was regarded as an effrontary to the rightful regal power of Kaiser Wilhelm I, and forshadowed an attempted Roman Catholic alliance against Prussia, that alliance to have included Roman Catholic Bavaria which had expelled the Jesuits in 1848, but later were readmitted. The stage was now set. War against "heretic" Prussia was in the offing. Thus we are not surprised at the words of Bismarck who declared:
"This Pope, this foreigner, this Italian, is more powerful in this country than any other one man, not excepting the King. He would use fire and sword against us if he had the power, and he would confiscate our property, and would not spare our lives." VAIII, p. 664.
Plotting a cunning vengeance against Protestant Prussia due to the Order's gigantic losses in 1866---failing in war and assassination---, Roman Catholic France (remembering her defeat at Waterloo (1815) by the British and the Protestant Prussians) will now be called upon to lead a coalition force to attack and conquer Lutheran Prussia. France's Roman Catholic Napoleon III, surnamed "Napoleon the Little," had a powerful Jesuit for an advisor and his queen, Empress Eugenie, was continually at the feet of the Jesuits. Thus began the Franco-Prussian War in 1870. France attacked Germany, not vice versa. Germany quickly won the war, Napoleon surrendering in 1871 at Sedan, later finalized in Paris at Versailles. This defeat ended the pope's French Second Empire (1852-1871) and Napoleon went into exile in England. Napoleon was protected by the most accomplished of female Jesuitesses, Queen Victoria---who opened dialogue with Rome on her own initiative in 1877.
Of the Danish War (1864), the Austrio-Prussian War (1866), the Franco-Prussian War (1870-71) my 1886 source states in VAIII, p. 775:
"You know that the late war between France and Germany was caused by the Jesuits, and the Empress Eugenie called it her war. The short war of 1866 was the result of a Jesuit intrigue to put down Protestant Prussia, and center the empire of Germany in Catholic Austria, but Prince Bismarck, with a wondeful energy and ability, anticipated and defeated the Jesuit conspiracy. The Danish war of 1864 had exactly the same object, and Bismarck was again too quick for them and the Austrians retired. The Hanoverian court was at the time entirely under the influence of the Jesuits, and in favor of Austria. The people invited Bismarck to save them; and when the Prussians arrived the Hanoverian troops refused to fight." [The Hanoverian royals were in the hands of the Jesuits, but the people they governed were Protestants in the main.]
We must add that had not King Ludwig II of Roman Catholic Bavaria sided with Protestant Prussia in the Franco-Prussian War, Prussia may well have lost the conflict. This decision of Ludwig (who hated the Jesuits) earned him two bullets in the back in 1886; his death by drowning is a terrible lie.
To add insult to injury, Bismarck knew the source of France's attack on Prussia: the dastardly Jesuits. Now the Prince, so it seemed, would serve a final blow against attempted Jesuit hegemony in Prussia. In 1872, with the consent of the Parliament, the King and the Protestant and Roman Catholic peoples, Bismarck expelled the Jesuits from all of the Prussian Empire---including Bavaria! Not only were the Jesuits expelled, but so were the Jesuits' right hand men, the Redemptorists. I cover this very carefully in VAIII with no less than German Theodor Greisinger's historical masterpiece on the Jesuits as my source. In this same year Bismarck began his Kulturkampf, his "war with culture"---Rome's culture of imposing papal political/temporal rule in the Protestant Prussian Reich. He had priests arrested in their pulpits while they were preaching treason to the Reich and the Kaiser---praise God! (Hitler's Jesuit-authored Mein Kampf would be the antithesis to Bismrack's "Kulturkampf" waged from 1872-77.) Further in 1873, Bismarck enfranchised 550,000 Jews, enraging the Order beyond imagination. Therefore we are not surprised to see the second attempted assassination of the Prince in 1874. The Order is formally expelled, the perfidious Jews are free to prosper and the "Struggle" with Rome's temporal power is raging.
I believe at this time Bismarck began to weaken. In 1877 he ends his "Struggle with Rome" and revokes the anti-Catholic Falk Laws. Later, as my opponent mentions, Bismarck accepts a papal knighthood, possibly in 1885, by the wicked Pope Leo XIII. In 1890, that Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor Kaiser Wilhelm II expels the Chancellor from office. In 1893, the Redemptorists are readmitted into the Reich and the Kaiser enables the Order to re-enter Rome after being expelled for 22 years. In 1917, the Society of Jesus is legally reamitted into the Reich, just in time to finish off the Protestant Prussian Second Reich---aided and abetted by the traitorous Kaiser. Indeed, Bismrack had a terrible finish though for years he was a great preserver of Prussia's Reformation.
He claims that the Jesuits were kicked out of Germany in 1872.
Thats somewhat misleading as the Jesuits never had to leave the country.
Paragraph 2 of the "Jesuitengesetze" merely claims that certain foreign
Jesuits can be expelled from Germany, and that german Jesuits can be
expelled from certain regions in Germany.
This 2nd paragraph was already completely abolished in 1904 btw.
Disagreed. Answered above. Read John Cornwell's Hitler's Pope, page 81, The anti-Jesuit laws were repealed on April 19, 1917. Cormwall states:
"From that point on, the Society of Jesus was free to enter Germany and found communitites, schools, and colleges, which it did with great energy."
No doubt many Jesuits remained in Germany, but it was in violation of the law. The same holds true for Protestant Great Britain from the years of 1829 to 1902.
He claims that the Kulturkampf went against Rome when in fact it was
during the Kulturkampf that the "Zentrum" party (the catholic party) had
the highest growth rates and grew into the real mass-party it is today
True and clever redirect. The Kulturkampf drove many Roman Catholics into the Zentrum, as that movement was overseen and managed by the Jesuits incognito. The Center Party would then aid the rise of Hitler to his dictatorship in 1933 as proven by Cornwall referenced above. The Jesuits are martial masters of contingency, including the setbacks dealt by Prince Bismarck.
The same is true for the SPD which grew stronger than ever during the
very time it was surpressed.
Typical hegelian dialectic.
The biggest nonsense (except from his infantile racial theories, Im
"Infantile racial theories," theories that my opponent cannot disprove and which many a brilliant scholar and godly man has propounded in the past. But then again my opponent must be of the radical, Jacobin, socialist-communist school advocating the doctrines of "universal equality" and "universal suffrage" as fully developed on the Jesuit Order's South American Reductions where the Guarani Indians were no more than slaves. The Marxian maxime of "from each according to his ability and to each according to his need" (the consummation of Roman Catholic Sir Thomas More's Utopia) was a financial boon to the Company of Jesus and its international commerce conducted by its "Blackships." There are, in fact, cultural, intellectual and physical differences in the races, which no objective analysis can deny---unless one is promoting a religion devoid of objective reasoning as well as biblical truth.
is the claim that Germany was "punished" by the
order for abolishing it (until 1917) and for being the home of the
Most correct and obvious in accordance with the Order's Council of Trent.
Now lets look at Switzerland for a second shall we?
The Jesuits were banned in Switzerland from 1848 until the 1970's.
In all that time Switzerland was NEVER punished, in fact Count Vlodomir
Ledochowski sought REFUGE in Switzerland (a country that has banned his
order) in 1915 when Italy had declared war on Austria-Hungary.
I highlighted the point "Count" because thats the crucial thing here.
Remember that Ledochowski was raised as a page at the court in Austria.
Well said. The Jesuit Order was formally readmitted into Switzerland in 1973, though it had secretly re-entered the country prior to World War II. Ledochowski was not raised in the royal court but for a time was in the court of the Empress of Austria, Elizabeth, who was murdered by the Order in 1898 for her resistence to its incitation of anti-Jewish fury. The Jesuit-controlled, bastard anarchist stabbed her through the heart with a small file while she was in Geneva---Switzerland. Again, the law was not enforced in Switzerland due to Jesuit intrigue within the Swiss government---as was the case in Britain mentioned below.
So the nation that was crucial in the Reformation (Zwingli, Calvin), the
nation that had abolished the Jesuit Order for around 120 years, (even
in the 70s two Jesuits were expelled from Switzerland when they were
This nation never was in any way or form attacked.
It stayed a save haven all the way whilst the surrounding countries went
down in ww1 and ww2.
To this day it stays out of the EU, it retains its currency and it isnt
a part of NATO.
Somethings fishy here.
May I add that (protestant) Sweden completely stayed out of trouble
aswell during ww2 when the neighbouring countries were invaded?
Clearly, the Order caused a revolution in 1847 and was expelled in 1848. Later on, it secretly regained control of the tiny Protestant nation so as to serve as its banking haven in the future. Notice the seal of Geneva incorporates the seal of the Jesuit General. Switzerland was not a nation to be neutralized by military force. That was accomplished secretly as was the case in Britain from the time of the Order's formal expulsion in 1829 to its readmittence in 1902 via the wicked and adulterous Protestant "Bertie," King Edward VII. The same holds true with Communist China, as the Order was expelled in 1949 by Freemasonic Mao Zedong and is expelled to this day. Yet the Black Pope has ruled China since no later than the overthrow of the Manchu Dynasty in 1912. Communist China has been built by Jesuit-controlled Great Britain (via the RIIA) and the Jesuit-ruled American Empire (via the CFR). There are true enemies of the Order and false enemies; there is an open but false policy of the Order and a secret but true policy. As long as Switzerland serves the pope with its financial institutions and as a breeding ground for world revolutionaries (Ben-Gurion, Lenin and Mussolini), it can have an open anti-Jesuit policy for the purpose of political deception. The same was true with apostate Protestant, Freemasonically-ruled Sweden. Sweden facilitated the evacuation of top Nazis after the pope's Second Thirty Years' War (1914-1945). Why overthrow Sweden when it was already conquered with apostasy and treason via her Freemasonic King?
Why is it that Thomas Müntzer was persecuted, hunted, taken prisoner,
tortured and finally killed whilst Luther (who hated him for supporting
the poor people in their revolt) was enjoying a good time teaching at
An enemy to the establishment will be prosecuted.
Müntzer continued where Luther stopped, he supported the rights of the
highly oppresed peasants (whilst Luther teamed up with the royalty) and
as a conseqence they killed him (and Luther applauded)
God forbid that my opponent should engage in a geopolitical discussion without reverting to one of the Black Pope's favorite addictions: waging a continual and ceaseless attack on learned and godly, Martin Luther, without whom this exchange would be impossible! From the calumny of Luther hating the Jews (as per the Jesuit Order's ghost-written forgery On the Jews and Their Lies---which work of the devil was a total contradiction to both the language and theology of the great Reformer) to the peasant's rebellion. Since my opponent seeks to spar in that arena, then so be it.
To begin with, years of injustice had been imposed on the poor peasants of Germany. The Roman Catholic, priest-led lords of Germany had oppressed these poor souls, robbing them of their labor, property and very lives. That supreme injustice ignited what became to be known as The Peasants Rebellion. The leader of this sanguine and lawless host was Thomas Munzer, a man who, according to Wylie's The History of the Protestant Reformation, vol. 1, pages 512-518, claimed to be a Bible believer, but who
"held it to be unworthy of a Christian to be guided by any objective authority, even the Word of God. He was called to 'liberty,' and the law or limit of that 'liberty' was his own inward light. [Sounds like the popish "Libertines" of Geneva who hated and opposed Calvin as well as nearly destroying the spiritual great awakening in that first free city of the Reformation.] Luther, he affirmed, by instituting ordinances and forms, had established another Popedom; and Munzer disliked the Popedom of Wittenberg even more than he did the Popedom of Rome. The political opinions of Munzer partook of a like freedom with his religious ones. To submit to princes was to serve Belials. We have no superior but God. The Gospel taught that all men were equal; and this he interpreted, or rather misinterperted, into the democratic doctrine of equlaity of rank, and community of goods [i.e., civil anarchy and socialist communism---those most delightful doctrines of the Jesuits aimed at all Protestant peoples and nations]. . . . Such was the man who, girding on 'the sword of Gideon,' put himself at the head of the revolted peasantry. He inoculated them with his own visionary spirit, and taught them to aim at a liberty of which their own judgments or passions were the rule." [This the essence of the Book of Judges, when every man did what was right in his own eyes leading to Israel's repeated defeats at the hand of their enemies.]
This is the hero my opponent seeks to vindicate when Munzer was nothing more than a lawless brigand who used the Bible as a cloak for his looting, rape and murder. His unfettered fanaticism led to the princes of the realm reverting to force to put down the pillage and murder of a gigantic peasant mob numbering in the tens of thousands. Luther sought to reason with the peasants as well as the nobles, but to no avail. In the end under questioning, Munzer openly "acknowledged his errors and crimes" after he had been responsible for the deaths of nearly 100,000 people. This spiritual bastard was then rightly beheaded and went to hell. Much more can be read in the six pages of Wylie's opus, but I will leave my opponent to that sobering fate.
Needless to say that if it hadn't been for the Reformation the Jesuit
Order would have been gone as well.
Indeed, with no Bible-based, Protestant Reformation there would have been no anti-Bible, Counter Reformation led by the Jesuit Order.
Who harboured them when they were surpressed by the pope and every
catholic country in Europe?
Thats right, protestant Prussia under Friedrich the Great and orthodox
Russia under Katharina the Great did.
I cover the suppression and extinction of the Jesuit Order via Pope Clement's Bull (not a Brief) of 1773. Frederick II the Great protected the Order as he was the most powerful Freemason on the continent, and his masters, the Jesuits, were the authors of the Scottish Rite, all thirty three degrees. Surely my opponent must know of the Order's rule over Illuminized Freemasonry! Concerning Catherine II the Great, that whore (and I mean German whore, as her son Paul called her) protected the Jesuits for her own aggrandizement. Poland was partitioned into Russian and Prussian Poland so that the pope's Bull would have no effect in that Roman Catholic nation---the Jesuits saving their lands and holdings in the nation of the pope's coming Eurasian Jewish Holocaust. The Jesuits controlled both Frederick and Catherine though they were both Lutheran, though Catherine was the protector of the "accursed" Orthodox Church, later removed from the Order's hit list after the Bolshevik Revolution.
Coincidence? Guess not.
As the character "V" in V for Vendetta said, "I like God, do not believe in coincidence."
Sincerely in faith,
Wednesday, October 1, 2008
According to Eric Jon Phelps