Tuesday, December 8, 2009

Along The Amber Path 8

Wlodimir Ledochowski: 26th Jesuit Order Superior General 1915-1942

Fry said: "There has been a history, let's face it, in Poland of a right-wing Catholicism which has been deeply disturbing for those of us who know a little history, and remember which side of the border Auschwitz was on, and know the stories, and know much of the anti-Semitic, and homophobic and nationalistic elements in countries like Poland.

Complaints: Fry 'slandered' Poland over Auschwitz


Updated on 08 October 2009

By Channel 4 News

Stephen Fry is accused by embassy officials of making "utterly misleading" and "slanderous" comments about Poland after a Channel 4 News interview in which he mentioned links to the infamous Auschwitz concentration camp.

Stephen Fry on Channel 4 News

The Polish Embassy in London has launched a forthright defence of its country after the actor made his remarks in an interview with Jon Snow this week.

Fry appeared on the programme to voice his concerns over the alleged homophobic and anti-Semitic background of some Polish members of David Cameron's European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR) group in the European parliament.

Fry said: "There has been a history, let's face it, in Poland of a right-wing Catholicism which has been deeply disturbing for those of us who know a little history, and remember which side of the border Auschwitz was on, and know the stories, and know much of the anti-Semitic, and homophobic and nationalistic elements in countries like Poland.

"This is a problem that is not going to get smaller because as we start to pay for the financial disaster of the least year - as the bill comes in – a kind of great pimple acne of nationalism and homophobia and racism is going to erupt around Europe because there is going to be trouble with unemployment, there are going to be all the problems."

Fry is one of a group of activists, which also includes comedian Eddie Izzard and the Unite union, who have written to David Cameron asking him to reconsider the Conservative party's links with the Polish Law and Justice party, with whom the Polish MEPs are affiliated.

But Fry's comments on Channel 4 News, as well as prompting complaints from Polish viewers in the UK, also led the Polish Embassy to complain.

Robert Szaniawski, spokesman for the embassy, told Channel 4 News: "I have taken strong exception to the statement made by Stephen Fry in which he suggested Polish complicity in the Nazi atrocities in Auschwitz during World War Two.

"While Mr Fry has every right to express his opinion, be it regarding current political developments or, indeed, historical matters, nonetheless, it should be tempered with some respect for factual accuracy in his public pronouncements.

"Poland was not free from anti-Semitism before World War Two or under the Nazi occupation, but to imply, however vaguely, some form of collective responsibility of the Polish nation and Poland for the notorious death camp which came to symbolise the horrors of the Holocaust, is utterly misleading, and quite frankly, slanderous.

"The mere geographical reference in this context is also incorrect, as Auschwitz-Birkenau was set up and administered by Nazi Germany in the part of Poland directly annexed to the Third Reich at the time."

Michael Burleigh, author of The Third Reich: A New History, and Ethics and Extermination: Reflections on Nazi Genocide, agreed with the Polish objections.

He said: "At that time there wasn't really a Poland to speak of. They [the Nazis] had left a tiny rump of a state but that was about it. There wasn't really anything left.

"To talk about a border is nonsense really; and even if there was technically one the Polish will have been surrounded by Nazi troops anyway. It's absolutely ridiculous for Stephen Fry to imply this."

Wlodimir Ledochowski War Culpability Admission

Wlodimir Ledochowski Deranged Polish Roman Catholic Religious War


avles said...

Nothing to do with this????


What is the conspiracy with the Polish Plane Crash? How about these facts...
Polish Plane Crash: Two of the identified bodies were not on the list of passengers?

2010 Grupa Onet.pl SA

Among the identified victims of the presidential plane crash near Smolensk two were not on the list of passengers - lenta.ru portal informs, citing the Interfax news agency. Gave similar information portal newsru.com, citing a source in the Moscow headquarters, where he assisted the families of the victims of the disaster. Russian Ministry for emergency situations said they killed 96 people, and not the 97th. According to the caller's agent, on Tuesday evening 64 people were diagnosed, while two bodies have been identified, "conditionally". It is not known whether a further two people who were on board, but not included in the list of passengers or the crew or cabin crew.
No statement on the event details.
In turn, the Russian ministry for emergency situations said that the government in a plane crash near Smolensk aircraft killed 96 people. - About 97 victims are not confirmed - to inform the representative of the Ministry Jeliena Chernova. - Killed 96 people: 88 passengers and 8 crew members - she added. Rumors about the 97 victims of the presidential aircraft accident occurred yesterday.
Polish flown today to the 32 coffins with the remains of victims of the disaster. Identification procedure, which began on April 11, continues. Specialists from the Russian Centre for Forensic Medicine, carried out by investigating DNA of the dead in the crash. In our center we have the latest technology, but according to the procedures can not be completed before testing April 21 - said a representative of the facility, which relies on agency RIA Novosti.
Here is a video making its rounds on youtube which was taken justminutes after the plane crash. In the background, you can clearly hear 4 gunshots. What is this about?
Ex-KGB Agent and man who was behind Russian Apartment Building False Flag Terrorism which he used to bring himself to power, Putin, is in charge of the investigation into the crash.
Why did Georgian TV predict the plane crash? Here is the story on that:
The Polish Leaders were moving to weaken currency, read here:

From our Polish Correspondent:

Yesterday, this video appeared on youtube. This is really shocking. You can hear 4 shots there, at the end, there are Polish words - "Change of Plans."

The cameraman is swearing and scared, before shooting you can here in Russian - "dawaj gnata" - which is "give me the gun." Maybe you know Russian. It's on the website of one of Polish TV channels. It says that army specialists are going to examine that. People are shocked; the situation is getting serious; some people are manipulated and rioting in the streets against burying the President in King's Castle in Cracow. It's awful, it's clear manipulation. Very suspicious and quick changes in the army, lots of hidden bad things happening.

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avles said...

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Guy that filmed the Polish crash aftermath has been killed!!
Video redone - you can see people alive and hear shots
Info on guy getting killed who filmed it:


TRANSLATED INFO - Using Google Translate to English:

The film, which has already zepewne everyone can see, the author
this movie Adrij Mendierej, which was dug in the knife
15 Kw.2010 near Kiev, he was
przewie#380;ony in an awful state to a hospital in
Kiev, where on April 16 two unknown people
od#322;#261;czy#322;o his respirator. J once again dug him
3 times a knife. Andriy died afternoon o15.03 time
Moscow 16 April 2010 year. But
course, this is the case by the Russian government

The previous fatal aircrash and investigations

Main article: < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_Mozambican_Tupolev_Tu-134_crash >1986 Mozambican Tupolev Tu-134 crash

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avles said...


On October 19, 1986 Samora Machel was on his way back from an international meeting in < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusaka>Lusaka, < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zambia>Zambia, in the presidential < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-134>Tupolev Tu-134 aircraft, when the plane crashed in the < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebombo_Mountains>Lebombo Mountains, near Mbuzini, South-Africa. There were ten survivors, < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samora_Machel#cite_note-ASN-9>[10] but President Machel and thirty-three others died, including ministers and officials of the Mozambique government.
The < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Airways_Flight_295#Margo_commission >Margo Commission, set up by the South African government, but which included high-level international representation,[ < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed>citation needed] investigated the incident and concluded that the accident was caused by pilot error. < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samora_Machel#cite_note-ASN-9>[10] Despite the acceptance of its findings by the < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Civil_Aviation_Organization >International Civil Aviation Organization, the report was rejected by the Mozambican and Soviet governments. he latter submitted a minority report suggesting that the aircraft was intentionally lured off course by a decoy < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_navigation>radio navigation beacon set up specifically for this purpose by the South Africans. Speculation about the accident has therefore continued to the present day, particularly in Mozambique. < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samora_Machel#cite_note-suspicion-10
Hans Louw, a < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Cooperation_Bureau>Civil Cooperation Bureau operative, claims to have assisted in Machel's death. < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samora_Machel#cite_note-confession-11 >[12] < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samora_Machel#cite_note-confession2-12>[13 ] < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pik_Botha>Pik Botha, South African foreign affairs minister at the time, who later joined the < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANC>ANC, said that the investigation into the plane crash should be re-opened. < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samora_Machel#cite_note-pikbotha-13
In his memoirs, Jacinto Veloso, one of Machel’s most unconditional supporters within Frelimo, sustains that Machel's death was due to a conspiracy between the South African and the Soviet secret services, both of which had reasons to get rid of him.
According to Veloso, the Soviet ambassador once asked the President for an audience to convey the USSR’s concern about Mozambique’s apparent “sliding away” towards the West, to which Machel supposedly replied “Vai à merda!” (something like “Go to hell!”, but more vulgar). Having then commanded the interpreter to translate, he left the room. Convinced that Machel had irrevocably moved away from their orbit, the Soviets allegedly did not hesitate to sacrifice the pilot and the whole crew of their own plane. < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samora_Machel#cite_note-14>[15 < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samora_Machel#cite_note-14


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avles said...

Who is the leader of polish army due to the constitution?
Your country's chef of National Bank and Federal Reserve is dead.
Who decides of whom shall come after him?
Since this Saturday, for the first time from mid thirties and Pilsudzki (the only guy that even Hitler was afraid of) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilsudski ,
one of the biggest countries in Europe is being formally ruled by one man-at least until elections. And now comes the best.
Komorowski is a close associate, friend and a political student of mr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrzej_Olechowski
whose name can be easily found on the list of Bilderberg meetings.
...oh, and a member of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateral_Commission as well.

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avles said...

NATIONAL churches among the enemies # 1 of Rome

Slovenia like Poland.